Bennie Briscoe VS Canelo Alvarez

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by roughdiamond, Aug 26, 2019.



  1. Bujia

    Bujia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    We’ll need more, because he didn’t beat Monzon, so you have only 4 wins listed.

    Of those 4:

    -Benton was 33 years old, coming into the Briscoe fight having already lost 2 in a row. That was after a year long layoff.

    -Gregory had 15 pro fights under his belt. That should be enough, but I’ll add that he was beating Bennie up before suffering a bad cut which changed the tide of the fight and allowed Briscoe to steal a Split Decision. Good comeback from Bennie.

    -Hart was already damaged goods, having lost 5 of his previous 11 before facing off with Briscoe for the first time. He’d been knocked out in 4 of those 5, including a first round blowout to Bobby Watts. Still, he managed a draw in their first fight before Bennie made short work of him in the rematch.

    -Mundine was a good comeback win.
     
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  2. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What you may not understand is the competition was much MUCH better back in the day. Fighters were fighting at the least 4-6 times a year. Meaning they were sparring and training almost daily.
    It was much harder to gain a championship then. Their were usually no multiple champs per weight class. And when their was they usually wanted to fight each other to PROVE who actually was the best at that weight class.
    A fighter couldn't earn millions fighting " ducks" like today.
    Boxing was EVERYWHERE 30yrs and beyond. The Heavyweight champ had much more prestige than foot ball players( soccer) football players(American) Basketball, baseball, etc. The fight game was seen and loved as the ultimate sport.
    The competition was much stronger the talent much deeper.
    So yes, theirs a very good possibility someone like Mundine, may have been as good as Alvarez.
     
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  3. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And how old was GGG? You also fail to mention that after the loss Benton won EIGHT straight fights. Nor do you mention that until that fight Benton had only failed to answer the final bell ONCE.
    He drew in Monzons HOME COUNTRY- that should tell you all you need to know.
    And yet Hart Knocked out Donovan his next bout.
    Speaking of age how old was Cotto when he fought Canelo? 35 years of age.
    How about when Briscoe stopped Rondon ?
    Or when battled Griffith to a draw?
    If Canelo fought Monzon in a 15 round bout do you honestly see Canelo going 15?
     
  4. Bujia

    Bujia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    GGG was 36, along with being an undefeated champion.

    Benton won 8 of his last 9 after Briscoe, true. The lone decent opponent among them is the one he lost to.

    That one time he failed to answer the bell was one of the two in a row he’d lost leading up to Briscoe. Against a Welterweight who was a non-puncher.

    So did 8 other fighters. The rule in Argentina in that era was that if a fight was decided by less than a 4 point consensus, it was to be ruled a Draw. Something to that effect, anyway.

    Why do you think almost every high profile Argentinian from the 60s-80s had so many on their record?

    OK? He was KO’d 3 in a row after that. Either he sucked or he was a finished fighter when Briscoe beat him. Which one?

    You’re acting as if I spent more time commenting on the fighters’ age than I did breaking down where they were at in their careers. I mentioned the age of one fighter while backing up my reasoning for doing so. My bad.

    Griffith was shot when he beat Briscoe the first time. Since then he’d gone 3-4, losing to the likes of Elijah Makhathini and Jose Luis Duran. Still, Briscoe couldn’t earn more than a Draw. At this point you’re proving my case for me.

    Is Rondon your choice for his 5th best win then?

    Yes, I would bet heavy on it. He’d lose a clear decision, but there isn’t much about either fighter that leads me to believe Canelo would be stopped.
     
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  5. Bujia

    Bujia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You’re preaching to the choir, dude. I’m not a new school advocate. My passion lies in boxing history. I’m something of a realist, though.

    I think Canelo/Briscoe would be an entertaining, competitive fight. I just can’t see Bennie winning. He simply was not that good.

    Mundine would do well until Canelo found his chin. Then he’d wilt quickly, as he almost always did when faced with adversity. He was like a bigger Khan in a way. Far more skilled, but also more willing to engage. Khan’s flurry and flee strategy is what allowed him to last until the 6th. Basic, but effective given his elite hand and foot speed. Mundine’s skills would likely do the same for him.
     
  6. Shrollleftupper

    Shrollleftupper Active Member banned Full Member

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    Briscoe's style is EXACTLY the type of fighter on which Canelo feasts. But furthermore, Briscoe is far slower and no stronger than Canelo. Canelo by stoppage in the 9th. This forum reeks of Alzheimer's.
     
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  7. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Name me one good fighter Canelo has stopped?
    Mosley? Cotto? Who?
     
  8. Shrollleftupper

    Shrollleftupper Active Member banned Full Member

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    Well he hurt Golovkin, Jacobs, and Callum, all of whom were good or fantastic and much bigger than Briscoe. No hate!
     
  9. Bujia

    Bujia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Kovalev, Khan, Kirkland, Angulo, Cintron, and Baldomir. Okay, Baldomir wasn’t good, but he was incredibly durable, having not been stopped in 16 years. None of the others were elite at the time he knocked them out (if they ever were), but they were still dangerous enough fighters. I’d say those 6 combined are equal to your list of Briscoe’s 4 best wins.
     
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  10. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wow... whatever credibility you may have had, goes out the window right there!
     
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  11. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member Full Member

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    @roughdiamond - Your thread certainly got a second wind. Lots of entertainment now.
     
  12. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Briscoe is a tough, tidy pressure fighter who took his time, came forward with predictable head-movement working off the same, basic rhythm. Canelo would counter the **** outta him. The closest fighter to Canelo Briscoe fought was Valdez, who destroyed him.
     
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  13. Frankus

    Frankus Active Member Full Member

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    Great post
     
  14. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You too
     
  15. Devon

    Devon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I might just **** off to the general forum, these responds on the thread made me laugh