90's Mike Tyson vs 90's George Foreman

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Who would of won?

  1. Tyson Knockout

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  2. Tyson Decision

    21.3%
  3. Foreman Knockout

    44.3%
  4. Foreman Decision

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  5. Draw

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  1. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I remember when Foreman began his comeback and was 5 or 6 fights in when I read a quote of his,," anyone who thinks Mike Tyson can beat George Foreman is insane",,, Later on the David Letterman show he told Letterman that in a fight with Tyson," I promise you no more than 1 or 2 rounds I'll do the same thing to Tyson" That version of Foreman brutalizes Tyson, styles make fights, and Tyson's mental aberrations would be exposed against Foreman. He couldn't be the bully in the ring with George, geez he got outbullied by a way past it Holyfield. Tyson would come straight to Foreman and run into that jab, once he can't come forward he's standing right in front of George. Tyson would have a better chance against the 46 year old Foreman , but who wouldn't.
     
  2. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Agree with this. If Foreman got batterd by Stewart then think what Tyson does.!
     
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  3. TFP

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    IMO:

    (a) Pre-prison 90s Tyson [e.g. per the Ruddock fights] - Tyson v strong favourite against any 90s Foreman.

    (b) Immediate post prison 90s Tyson [e.g. per Bruno II] - Tyson modestly strong favourite vs younger 90s Foreman, strong favourite vs older [e.g. vs Briggs] 90s Foreman;

    (c) Very late 90s Tyson [e.g. per Botha/Norris] vs the 41 to 45 ish yr old Foreman - Tyson narrowly an outsider?;

    (d) Most other combinations might be reasonably close.
     
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  4. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tyson-Frazier are tailor made for any version of George Foreman
     
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  5. ATP

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    Said it before & il say it again...

    Lets say we meet in the middle

    Tyson would try to stop Foreman early and his speed would be a big factor in the first 4 rounds. Foreman would have some marks on his face and some swelling but he remains upright. Tyson slows the pace by round 5 and gets a little frustrated that Foreman is still coming forward. Rounds 6-9 are close but Foreman isn't landing his big punches flush. Foreman's head is starting to look like it did vs. Stewart by round 10 and Tyson is up 6 rounds to 4. Tyson actually turns boxer in this fight and surprises some people. He uses his speed and mobility to stick and move onForeman. Tyson wins 7 rounds to 5 and is exhausted at the end of the fight.
     
  6. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Tyson - Foreman threads are like the Police Academy film series - The sequels just keep coming and they get increasingly tiresome and boring for anyone who has seen the original.

    Tyson and Frazier are two different fighters, similar yes but while Frazier is better in some departments the areas were Tyson is superior are what would give him a much better chance against Foreman than Joe ever had - Speed, power, defence, punch variety and unpredictability.
     
  7. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    George Foreman would stop Tyson,
     
  8. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Tyson still had a solid chin in the 90s, I dont see Foreman having the cardio to sustain the kind of pressure that Holy and Douglas did to stop him. Tyson wasnt MM, he wasn't getting one punched at this point.
     
  9. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tyson 1983-1988 = improving each month and serioulsy better version, with each next fight;), later. :(
     
  10. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bolded part is where this story goes off the rails. What really happens is Tyson gets tired. Big George is able to shove him back. With Mike pushed on his heels, he can't punch, he can't move his head effectively. Foreman begins to land clubbing blows. Tyson is wearing down fast, and Foreman is able to easily land uppercuts on the inside. Mike is no longer safe inside or outside, he has no idea what to do so he does what he always does only slower and weaker cause he's tired. Tyson has never shown any ability to adapt or change his style. He keeps trying to come forward and eats huge punches until Foreman knocks him out.
     
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  11. Drago

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    Holyfiel was not in his absolute prime anymore, but he was not years past it. He was still very good at the age of 34 when he had both fights with Tyson, much better as 41-48 years old Foreman.
    Evander was definately past prime at the age of 36-37 when he had his 2 bouts with Lennox.

    And bout the bully:
    Bonecrusher and Tubbs looked to me also very secure and not impressed by Tyson´s appearance, he could not really bully the two. But he still was able to beat of of them very comfortable on points...but of course in the 80´s in a time when Rooney was still in his corner.

    The 90s past jail Tyson was really more sensitive and a KO win for Foreman would have been very possible. Otherwise we know Foreman aged damn fast after his win over Moorer. In his next fight vs Schulz you could see this for the first time, he only hit Axel maybe 1-2 times with full power shots, and imo he lost that fight with him and got a home decision.
    Schulz should have been the 2nd German HW Champ after Schmeling...still to this day we wait for a next HW champ after the late great Max.
     
  12. ArseBandit

    ArseBandit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tyson decision.

    Foreman's chin was legit.
     
  13. Abysswalker

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    Well, i will leave this here for the casuals who think Tyson was a monster or physically very powerful, something like Foreman while actually Tyson was a very technical fighter, his defense, handspeed and use of different angles to punch from made him special. I don't see him even beating an old Foreman.

    https://tss.ib.tv/boxing/articles-o...e who covered boxing at,beat in April of 1991

    "At this time, Evander Holyfield was getting ready for his sixth fight as a heavyweight against Seamus McDonagh on June 1 in Atlantic City. On the day of the Holyfield-McDonagh fight, I went to grab something to eat with Georgie Benton, Lou Duva and Bobby Goodman. At the time, Goodman was, and still is, Don King's matchmaker. I've known Benton for many years, through him I met Duva, and was introduced to Goodman a couple weeks before Tyson fought Larry Holmes at the Convention Center in Atlantic City in January 1988.

    While we were eating, Benton said, “Bobby, what's up with Foreman and Tyson, how come they're not fighting each other on the 16th? Isn't that the fight that King was trying to make?” He said, ” Georgie,You'll never believe this but, ****in' Tyson is scared **** less of Foreman and wants no part of him. I was there when Don was trying to make the fight. He was telling Tyson that Foreman represented huge money, plus he was old and slow and would be no problem. Tyson got up and screamed at King saying, 'I'm not fight in' that ****in' animal, if you love the mother****er so much, you fight him!'”

    Goodman stated that Tyson said Foreman was much better than people thought, and was a dangerous fight for any of the top heavyweights. Goodman proceeded to explain how Tyson was calling Foreman a big con man, and explained that the grandpop act was just a front. He said Tyson saw Foreman as trying to set up the boxing world into thinking he was a pushover, knowing that he really wasn't. Tyson said Foreman was a wolf in sheep's clothing. Goodman continued to say that after seeing Tyson's response to King trying to push him into a fight with Foreman, he had no doubt that Tyson had fear of Foreman. He also said that from that point on, he felt that if Foreman and Tyson ever fought, Foreman would knock Tyson out!

    Throughout the lunch Goodman, Duva, Benton, and myself shared stories and thoughts on the fight game. Out of the blue Goodman said, “Oh I remember why else Tyson wanted no parts of Foreman. He said that King had found out from Steve Lott that Tyson and Cus D'Amato used to watch the Frazier-Foreman fight over and over.” He continued saying that Tyson loved that fight because he was awed by Foreman's power and Frazier's toughness and how he kept getting up after every knockdown. He also said that Lott told King that Cus sat alongside Tyson saying, “It's suicide against Foreman if you're short and fight a swarming attacking style like Marciano or Frazier,” never figuring that Foreman could be a possible Tyson opponent down the road. He said that Cus said the only fighters who had a chance against Foreman were, tall rangy fighters who could fight him from a distance while moving away from him, and no way any swarmer could beat Foreman by going to him.

    Those are the words of the man who actually had a hand in trying to make the Foreman-Tyson fight, and was in the room when the negotiations broke down. Over the years, I've talked to many people who were involved with Tyson and Foreman and they all verify the story, every one of them. I have also talked to people who were involved with promoting Foreman, including Ron Weathers who promoted a few of Foreman's comeback fights. He told me the same story. The fight didn't happen because of Tyson being fearful of losing to George. Bob Arum also said that he dreamed of making Foreman-Tyson. He said it would be huge money and that Foreman would stop Tyson easier than he did Frazier. This is something Arum often repeated to the press. I have also heard this from George's brother Roy who was his business manager. I co-hosted a boxing show with Roy in Atlantic City for a little less than two months and this was a regular topic when discussing Tyson. Anyone who covered boxing at the time or knew any of the involved parties knew of this. It's not breaking news.

    It is absolutely a fact that Mike Tyson was afraid to fight 41-year-old George Foreman–the same Foreman who Evander Holyfield would fight and beat in April of 1991. I have not a doubt that had Foreman and Tyson fought anytime between 1990 and 1997 that Foreman would have knocked Tyson out inside of three rounds. Tyson just has nothing to beat Foreman with; his edge in hand speed would have been a non-factor. He can't beat him by backing away, and he would have gotten his head handed to him if he brought the fight to Foreman. In addition, Foreman was bigger, stronger, tougher and hit harder. Not to mention the fact that Foreman had a better chin and no fear or doubt, unlike Tyson, who was full of fear and self-doubt.

    Think about it, Foreman-Tyson was the biggest fight that could have been made in 1990. Foreman was perceived to be an easy fight for Tyson, and it would have been his biggest payday to date. There can only be one reason why Tyson didn't fight Foreman, and that's because he feared losing to him.

    I haven't a morsel of a doubt that Tyson just doesn't match up with Foreman, and he knows it. If Tyson of 1990 was afraid of an old Foreman, think how petrified he would of been of a prime Foreman, the one who stared down both Joe Frazier and Muhammad Ali in 1973 and 1974."
     
  14. sauhund II

    sauhund II Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There should be some kind of a IQ test before posters like you can post a cut and paste..............

    Foreman went life and death with cannon fodder Stewart/Saverese.......used like a heavy bag against light hitting Holyfield....could not get to Tommy Chin.......was beaten from pillar to post against a glass chinned Light Heavy before he landed the lucky punch......could not stop Euro Bum Schulz.............was rather stripped of all of his belts instead of fighting ANYBODY worth a lick..instead of facing washed up Coke head Tony Tucker he let the belts go.................that Foreman stops Tyson in 3? Log off

    Prime Tyson will never ever loose to a 40 somethings, end off, Prime Foreman will never loose to a Grandpa either

    Foreman was pure marketing , nothing else, he fought the bums of all bums, got a title shot, lost, fought bums again, title shot, lost and so on....

    If one picks prime Foreman over prime Tyson, I could see that ....but fossil Foreman would take a viscous beating, end off.

    One more time for a dense slow wittard like you.........Bob Arum is a promoter and paid to lie.........he claimed for years manny Pac is gonna stop Mayweather and is afraid of him.............when they eventually fought mayweather had tougher sparring sessions and parked pacy 118-110......Bob Arum said........FYI , Arum FIXED fights for Foreman and got fined....now that is a FACT.
     
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  15. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    WTF?

    Foreman get tittle shot vs then UNDEFEATED Frazier and had won this one. He defeated Frazier and with this had get world tittle.
    Definitely pure marketing with 29 years old Olympic Gold medalist, pro boxing champion in Joe Frazier in the ring.
    We do not have such luxury today: 2 young!, hungry lions in their prime in the ring, both Oly chaps, HW boxers.
    Yes, of course Foreman was not undefetead, he later lost vs Ali.