Head to Head GOAT

HW: Ali
LHW: Charles
MW: Greb
WW: Robinson
LW: Duran
FW: Armstrong
BW: Jofre/Olivares
Fly: Harada

 

HW: Lewis
CW: Holyfield
LHW: Spinks
SMW: Jones
MW: Hagler
JMW: McCallum
WW: Robinson/Leonard
JWW: Dela Hoya
LW: Duran
SFW: Mayweather
FW: Armstrong

 

Great list!

 

HW: Joe Louis
LHW: Archie Moore
MW: Carlos Monzon
WW: Ray Robinson
LW: Ike Williams
FW: Sandy Saddler
BW: Ruben Olivares
FLY: Jimmy Wilde

 

HWY: Ali, but 88 Tyson has a good argument.
CW: Either Holy or Marciano.
LHW: Foster, Spinks, and Charles all have good claims.
SMW: Easily Roy.
MW: Tough to say between Hagler and Monzon. Both have an argument.
JMW: Hearns, but only because the division didn't exist in Robinson's prime.
WW: Robinson, but Leonard has a case.
JWW: This is a really tough one. There's no consensus H2H GOAT at 140. If forced to pick, give me Benitez.
Lightweight: Duran clearly IMO, but I suppose a case can be made for Pernell.
JLW: Floyd IMO, but a case can be made for Arguello.
Featherweight: Probably Pep.
SBW: Gomez by a mile.
Bantamweight: Either Jofre or Zarate. I tend to think both beat Olivares.
SFW: I think Khaosai, but Watanabe, Roman, and Moon all have a case.
Flyweight: Harada
Light flyweight: Chang
Minimum Weight: Lopez

 

You may want to rethink that one.

 

Maybe. I had Foster down originally, but then went with Archie's career in totality. 219 fights/132 KO's. He did well against some top notch heavyweights also. Could beat anyone on the right day. Guess he wasn't unbeatable, though. Maybe Foster.

I'm not much of a Light Heavy fan, so it matters less to me. Maybe Moore. Maybe Foster. Maybe Conn.

 

I'd take Joe Louis over both, personally. I'd say he deserved a mention here as his best performances repeatedly brought him under 200lbs.

Wouldn't this eliminate Marciano (and Louis) from CW?

How about Napoles? He'd be my pick, and I think he gets overlooked there. He was a ranked contrnder for six years with a very nice resume there.

 

What about the man who beat Moore three times?

 

Good point.

Maybe I'd be safer to just pick Marciano for Light Heavy. He could make the weight and he beat both the above mentioned.

Think I'll just stick with Moore.

 

SHW: Carnera
HW: Ali
CW: Holyfield
LHW: Marciano
SMW: Jones
MW: Hagler/Greb
WW: Leonard or SRR
LW: Duran
FW: Armstrong

 

Marciano couldn't make the weight, or beat a prime Ezzard Charles, let alone make it and beat him.

 

Good point on the first two. I guess we need to establish whether we have to stay within the parameters of guys using their divisions at the time, or their actual weights based on today's divisions.

If we have to use their divisions at the time, then Holy stands alone as my CW GOAT, and Hearns stands alone as my Junior Middleweight GOAT.

 

Marciano was a big guy. There's a well known picture of a post-retirement Rock standing next to Liston, and he looks virtually just as big as Sonny.

Rock's frame was too big to be a light heavyweight in ANY era.

A guy like Kovalev or Beterbiev is built like a child compared to Marciano.