If Ike peaked in the 40s, he'd probably have a record of 60-20. At his best he'd have wins over Lee Savold, past prime Bivins, and Turkey Thompson. With early losses to prime Bivins, L. Murray, and Maxim. He'd get into the top 10 but lose to Walcott or Charles. He'd then start to see demons and beat up hookers, get hooked on heroin, and die homeless.
Tyson Fury, Lennox Lewis, Vitali Klitschko, Corrie Sanders, Riddick Bowe, Larry Donald, Tyrell Biggs, Tony Tucker and several more. Hell even Gerry Cooney had ok movment. Quite a bit of modern or 90s superheavyweights aren't super stuff plodders that just walk forward like they were in the 30s and the 40s they have good footwork and know how to bob and weave and box effectively.
Out of all of those names, none of them move with the agility of the old time fighters except Tyrell Biggs. Perhaps the young version of Lewis before he bulked up and started fighting tall. Before we converse further, what exactly do you mean by agility?
Lennox lewis was agile against other small heavyweights and larger ones too. even then they're a hell of a lot more agile then the SHWs from the 30s and 40s and they have the size advantage, the reach, the height, and on average they're a lot more powerful. Were talking about 6'4+ 240+ vs 6'0 190-200. Did you not see what Lennox Lewis did to Razor Ruddock ? And Ruddock himself was an agile superheavyweight at about 6'3 228 if i remember correctly. And i mean agility by the definition. Being able to move quickly and easily. And by my boxing definition not having a hard time boxing and the backpedel or countering and being aggressive and having good footwork and headmovement.
You'd probably see demons too if you'd been imprisoned 14 months under heavy sedation while being harassed to cop a plea for something you did not do. Ike did not beat up any hooker she wasnt touched or hurt in any way.
Again I don't think any of those names you mentioned moved quite like these guys This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected Some of the names you mentioned were active mostly in the 80s, Tucker and Biggs. That was 40 years ago so you can't really use them as modern. Tucker weighed in the 210s and Biggs was in the 220s. That's considered small by today's standards. Ruddock, by the time he got to be a superheavyweight (230s and 240s) wasn't really this big fast mobile boxer that you think. He was decent for a heavyweight at that size considering his results but he didn't move like the old heavyweights that were lighter. Big men just don't move like that. Against other big men I'd say some of them are pretty fast and possess great agility but compared to guys 40+ lbs lighter they just aren't the same. That's not a bad thing. Guys at 200 aren't as fast as guys at 160.
Riddick Bowe and especially Lennox Lewis has good agility. Corrie Sanders has good agility too. Larry Donald was good and dancing around boxingon the backpedel. Vitali seemed pretty good. Tyson Fury and 246 danced around wlad, Buster douglas at 231 against Tyson was pretty smooth and had good footwork. Smaller heavyweights were more agile i guess but not by much. A lot of old school 190-200 heavyweights were plodders tbh and i think boxing technique and fundamentals peaked in the 90s.
Riddick Bowe? You sure about that? I think you might want to watch some more film of him on that one. He stood and fought on the inside, wasn't much of an agile fighter. Yeah Larry Donald was pretty agile, I totally agree with that. A good one off. Vitali was great but he wasn't agile and mobile compared to old time heavies. Maybe against 240 lbrs he did. That doesn't make him a bad fighter or that he would lose to the smaller guys necessarily. These guys you are talking about are one offs, from the 80s and therefore not modern, or are just fast compared to slow 240 lbers. There's slow plodders from every era. Being an old time fighter doesn't make them great but you can't try to put everyone in one big category like "slow plodders" or "athletic big abile heavyweights" just because they fought in the same era. There's several guys on Joe Louis's resume alone that were mobile and slick.
Just because he wasnt an outboxer didnt mean he didnt have good head movement and good body movement in general. He wasn't stiff he was pretty fluid for someone who was an inside fighter. And im referring to Superheavyweights that fought in the 90s.
But to be frank the top heavyweights of the 90s would beat the top heavyweights of Joe Louis's era. They weren't stiff like the one from the SHWs 30s and 40s. They can box. And they're likely much more powerful.
No I wouldn't. Because I'm not an insane delusional sexual predator with a laundry list of similar charges prior to the final allegation. But I wish you luck in your crusade.
There´s always this huge discussion about Ibeabuchi go nuts more than him fighting. Shouldn´t this thread just ask "If the Ibeabuchi (exclude him going nuts) from Tua/Byrd fought in the 30s, how would it go?"
