Punching Power P4P (2021 updates)

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by eltirado, Jan 19, 2021.



  1. Tankatron

    Tankatron Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's just been watching too much Rocky IV. I don't blame him, after all, me and about a dozen of my mates watched it when it hit the Big Screen back in the day and I've been trying to emulate their training techniques ever since.
     
  2. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fundora never punches using his full size, if he throws the same torque-crab-cagey stance punches, he will score something similar to middleweights if not lower due to speed suppression because the punches are not straight

    Fundora does this because he can't afford the price of deploying his full-KO-Power. If Fundora punches straight and commits to clean power shots, he will get dropped/stopped more often, Fundora also can't depend on landing first because at Welter-Middleweight he will have harder time catching the faster opponents & a big risk the very fast opponents spark him first, Wilder speed advantage at Heavyweight is very big which gave him success similar to the success Roy Jones had vs slower opponents. Fundora is the slowest top-boxer at Welter-Middleweight

    Fundora will also fail at Heavyweight, if he shows up as he is, because currently his range is the same as a Welter-Middleweight because of his fighting posture, opposed to Deontay Wilder who fights at maximum range.
     
  3. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Agreed.
     
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  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    He`s far too skinny at the weight he`s at right now.
     
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  5. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Correct...From an aesthetic POV, but from a practical POV he is at the best weight for his current fighting style.

    If he can straighten up his punches & optimize speed he will be able to score more one-KO punches at any weight, for this to happen Fundora has to lose a fight or two...once the undefeated label is gone he will have less to lose, an unrestrained power punching-leaping Fundora will be able to score devastating KOs from Welter to Heavyweight, without having to look at the scale. He will still be slower than Deontay Wilder which means at full leverage his psi maxes out under 1200 psi.
     
  6. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    He doesn`t look impressive at all to me.
     
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  7. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fundora is an over-achiever...He is doing the best he can with what he got, he has the potential to be an exciting fighter if he commits to power-punching at the expense of his undefeated record. His frame at the current weight can force every fight to become a KO, either him or his opponent
     
  8. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But against a psi machine, it's not about style or fear of losing - it's about trying to get the highest possible score. What I wan't to know is this: Would an unrestained 154 lbs Fundora, putting everything he got behind his hardest punch, be able to score higher than Mike Tyson on a psi machine?

    Also, how did you calculate those scores on the first page? Berlanga, for example, has a speed of 30MPH. Lets assume, this is correct. You also know his height and reach... and based on this information, you arrive at a psi of 1050. What is the math behind this?
     
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  9. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mike Tyson score on any PSI machine will always be lower than people expectations, Fundora will be able to score more...even at his current shape.

    I expect a 6'01" fast amateur Welter teen to score higher than prime Mike Tyson on a psi machine.

    Mike Tyson was an underrated boxer, who understood the limitations of the Heavyweight...He exploited the Heavyweights like nobody else did before, Jack Dempsey and Deontay Wilder come close, but Mike Tyson mastered the exploitation of the Heavyweight.
     
  10. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think everybody on this thread would be interested in the math behind your psi scores... so if you could give us an example, it would be great.
     
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  11. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    None of this has any relevance if you don’t consider the Chin Resistance of an opponent.
     
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  12. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Keep in mind that I don't consider psi = KO artist, but it helps...Is there humans who probably score a higher psi than Deontay Wilder (Yes 100%), but Deontay Wilder is an underrated one-dimensional KO artist, not just a raw puncher. He just happens to have the highest psi score of any top boxer, mainly because he is a very tall-rangy fast Heavyweight.

    Without skeptics...Science becomes a Religion....its good that you are doubting this...now you have to go and do more research, because I will not be able to convince you & I don't want to convince you...because more than likely I am missing a lot of useful details that produce a better (more complex formula) to measure-estimate psi (besides putting the boxer directly on the machine)

    in the 2000s I bought couple of psi machines...they varied in accuracy, but all work fine when they are used by the same boxers-strikers....I was puzzled over the years, by how some random lanky kids can come and punch harder than world champions who outweigh them, that was the start...Height-Reach x Speed is the closest I can get, weight has little to do directly with psi scores....speed-height-reach are extremely important for a PSI score...nothing else influences the score

    To test the theory yourself, find any short-stocky pro-boxer and he will be easily outscored by any faster taller-lighter striker. Even random fast-tall-lanky kids willing to practice punching for a month will end up scoring higher than shorter-heavier World champions.

    If you show me something new, I will learn and be grateful...
     
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  13. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Chin resistance is not relevant because we are discussing psi (raw punching power)

    Think of it as Boxer vs Machine (that don't hit back)
     
  14. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So does this mean, that there are no actual calculations behind these psi score... that they are pure guesswork?
     
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  15. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Rounded up calculations, that are confirmed by a clear correlation between (Height-Reach * Speed)

    Weight is irrelevant when it comes to psi, like many things in science...it disrupts (common sense)

    Very easy way to examine this, test it yourself