Is Hector Camacho overrated?

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Nelson would have knocked Camacho out, he proved that v Sanchez who was far more skilled than Camacho.
     
  2. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Nelson would not in a million years knock Camacho out and i am a big big fan of Zoomah. Camacho was never knocked out and have a look at the guys he fought at much higher weights than his best.

    Camacho is all wrong for Nelson and would win a comfortable decision at 130 as much as it pains me to say it. Rosario, deep in the conversation for hardest puncher ever at 135 didn't stop him.
     
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  3. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Nelson was a similar fighter to Rosario and Camacho was nearly sparked by Rosario however Nelson is more aggressive v movers than Rosario was and would counter every punch Camacho threw, Chavez proved Camacho couldn`t keep pressure fighters off him.
     
  4. JohnThomas1

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    Nelson was not similar to Rosario in that one had incredible one punch power at 130, 135 and 140 and the other had good to very good to very good power at 126 and 130.

    Rosario was also a bigger man than Azumah. P4P he hit harder let alone taking their size into consideration.

    Camacho was the fastest fighter in boxing when at 130. His hand speed was amazing. He was massively faster than Zoomah who would be getting hit with punches of the likes he'd never seen before and then Camacho would be gone. Camacho could also actually bang a bit at 130 with much of it coming from the speed of the blow and the fact he hit people with punches they simply could not prepare for.

    Comparing the Chavez version of Camacho to the peak one at 130 is an exercise in futility. Camacho lived in the fast lane and faded fast and early. Macho's last great performance was probably as early as Ramirez. Chavez was 7 years later at a higher weight class. Sure Camacho kept on keeping on bit his level had a ceiling and it was far lower than it had been even if he wasn't overly old and hadb't been subjected to loads of punishment.

    The guy went 12 rounds when washed up with a young Tito Trinidad.

    I love Nelson, he would probably be tougher than i envision but he ain't stopping Macho Mark, not a chance.
     
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  5. expljose

    expljose Active Member Full Member

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    it's a good question .. i don't think so though i think he's right where he needs too be .. i don't see too many people calling his number in fights against other greats ..
     
  6. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Your point is? Your comparing him to Chavez, a totally different kind of fighter. Chavez was stopped by DLH 2x but Hector easily went the distance with Oscar.
     
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  7. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Yes, Both Trinidad and Oscar were above average punches at 147. Especially Tito to who was an Atomic type of banger. They shook Camacho and sent him to survival mode.
    Hector Camacho invented a popular Television series in the states..it was called Survivor. Best show ever.
     
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  8. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Yes, Both Trinidad and Oscar were above average punches at 147. Especially Tito to who was an Atomic type of banger. They shook Camacho and sent him to survival mode.
    Hector Camacho invented a popular Television series in the states..it was called Survivor. Best show ever.
     
  9. Thread Stealer

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    Camacho may beat Nelson, but I think Arguello would catch Camacho enough to make overly defensive and go into survival mode.

    I’d also pick Whitaker to win a decision over Camacho. Whitaker had a lot of variety to his game and was tougher to hit. They both had good movement to avoid shots, but Whitaker was also very difficult to hit at close range, more layers to his defense.
     
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  10. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    No argument. ETM is certainly capable of doing what you said. He did have some issues with boxers that had mobility and quickness. Hector had both of those in spades. It would have been a fun match. Arguello had other plans on his way up.
     
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  11. Bujia

    Bujia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He used to be underrated on forums before footage of him in his early days started being made available. He was routinely rated among the fastest ever by those who’d seen him in real time and that piqued the interest of the younger generation watching all these guys on YouTube for the first time. So it was a big deal when the fights with Ramirez and Limon came out proving exactly what everyone was saying.

    That’s how he became another example of the McCallum Effect.
     
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  12. Monogamous STD

    Monogamous STD Ya know, Quasimoto predicted all this. Full Member

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    I don't know how he wasn't at least one of the best fighters p4p in the world for a few years. I don't think that's overrating him. If you say he wasn't an ATG, I agree? Is that over or underrating him?
     
  13. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As much as I admire Nelson at lightweight Camacho would have spanked him severely-way too much speed and the southpaw stance as well.
     
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  14. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Camacho was like the southpaw version of Ray Leonard when he was on.
    He beat the hell out of Rameriez who gave Arguello hell.
    He was so fast and his movement was incredible.
    Even the Rosario fight he deserved the decision but in that fight he got hurt and was never the same.
    He was so fast he made Howard Davis look slow when they fought - the same Davis that battled Meldrick Taylor to a draw.
    Vs Whitaker I just don't know. Of courese Pea had a better career but matched up prime for prime Pea would have had a hard time with Camachos speed.
     
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  15. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Camacho wouldn`t punch much v Rosario because he didn`t know how to get off the line after punching, all he did was move his feet which didn`t work v Rosario because of his pressure and hand speed, Whitaker could throw more punches v Nelson because of his superior head movement.