Jeffries, Foreman 1 .... similar ...

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  1. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker Full Member

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    Again you're missing the whole point ... I am not comparing them H2H .. I am comparing what skill set and physical advantages they used to dominant their eras , that's it ..
     
  2. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker Full Member

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    If you prove not to her a troll (debatable ) maybe after a few thousand posts I'll consider responding to your obnoxious post.
     
  3. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

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    George was a masterful boxer in his own way, he was like a HW Saddler though a touch less dirty...
     
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  4. Glass City Cobra

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    Their skill sets were completely different.

    Jefferies pressed forward and targeted the body a lot. His best punches was perhaps the left gut wrenching uppercut and right cross from what I've read. He had very slow feet and it was relatively easy for fleet footed guys like Corbett to box circles around him before old age and body shots caught up with him. Combination punchers like Fitzsimmons landed barrages of punches on Jefferies but his iron chin and lenient referees of that era kept him from suffering standing TKO losses. He was perfectly willing to slug it out and trade as we saw in the Sharkey fights. Jefferies didn't seem to jab that often and his game plan was primarily to break guys down and pressure them bit by bit, relying on his huge gas tank and fundamentals to eventually stop his opponents or remain busy enough to win a convincing decision. While Jeff does have some good KO's I wouldn't even remotely classify him as an explosive knockout artist or a 1 punch KO artist. The majority of his best stoppagess were over aging fighters who were more than two dozen lbs smaller than him.

    70's Foreman preferred mid-range and would frequently push guys back to make sure he get could the full extension and leverage of his long powerful arms. His best punches were perhaps his legendary uppercuts and left hooks--although he had power behind basically whatever he threw. Foreman didn't have fast hands, but he was surprisingly good at cutting the ring off and cornering guys. He was also skilled at walking guys into shots or baiting them to set up his own shots to make up for his lack of agility. Contrary to popular belief, he did not swing for the fences from the opening bell like a barroom brawler, he only got wild once he knew his man was badly hurt (usually when they were cornered or against the ropes) or if he was desperate for a knockout and/or in a slug fest as seen against Lyle. He could be a nasty body puncher and aimed for vital spots like the liver or solar plexus. His primary method of defense was his "mummy" stance to catch and parry single straight shots down the middle and then return fire. He had a very heavy and damaging jab when he chose to use it. His biggest weakness was his mediocre gas tank and not pacing himself well believing too much in his raw power and toughness.

    The only similarities between the two were that they both had granite chins, tremendous physical strength, and could be terrific body punchers. The difference is Jefferies hopelessly chase guys around while Foreman could cut the ring off. Foreman had a great jab and Jeff didn't use one consistently or if he did, often as a range finder. Jeff was better as an inside/pressure fighter while Foreman was better at mid range. Foreman didn't pace himself well and was often out of breath when he went the distance while Jeff was surprisingly good at pacing himself and had excellent stamina. Jeff didn't have nearly the same raw clubbing power or finishing ability, but he was pretty heavy handed and could carry his power late for late round stoppages. Foreman rarely let guys off the hook and knew how to set up knockouts, but his power tended to fizzle out as time went on due to his over eagerness to finish things.

    Their skill sets and approaches to fights were actually quite different honestly. There are more differences than similarities. You are correct that they both tended to fall back on overwhelming opponents with force, although Jeff was a little less brutish and wild. Foreman beat several prime fighters who weren't heavily shopworn while Jefferies mainly took on smaller light heavyweight sized fighters who were past their prime.
     
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  5. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker Full Member

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    I appreciate your post but it doesn't change the facts .. I did not say exact I wrote similar .. both men look amateurish and clumsy on film and won over their opposition through superior strength and power that compensated for lack of polished skill ..in many Foreman fights he has moments so absurd it's painful to watch .. Jeffries has such limited film but he clearly seems to win through size and strength .. as far as Jeffries power, it's in dispute .. many claim he was a monster hitter ..
     
  6. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker Full Member

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    I thought more like Pep ..
     
  7. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you think what I said amounts to trolling, the you have led a very sheltered life, you have obviously ( because you cannot name the dozen fighters ) tried a bit swerving to justify your immature and frankly juvenile response, you were in a corner and didn't know how to get out .
    I am prepared to let the other posters judge for themselves what is what. keep well.
     
  8. mcvey

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    Foreman was the dominant power puncher of his era Jeffries was not.Jeffries had physical advantages over everyone he fought ,Foreman did not. Your comparison is not valid on any level, imo.
     
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  9. mcvey

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    Excellent post that breaks them both down accurately.
     
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  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    We can agree Jeffries won through size and strength but not superior power his stoppages of foes he had in common with Fitz clearly gives the nod to the Cornishman for power,and is up for dispute that he hit harder than Sharkey. Where Jeffries scored was in his ability to take punches all night long,but he was being hit on by light heavies and cruiserweights.Foreman was fighting real modern sized heavyweights.I'm sorry, I dont see your analogy at all.
     
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  11. Kamikaze

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    They’re nothing alike, Saddler and Foreman actually share a visible amount of similarities.
     
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  12. WAR01

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    Trying to figure out Jeffries is like guessing how caveman behaved in a fist fight, no certainty only educated guesses.
     
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  13. timmers612

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    Tell me what rules your thinking of aside from more rounds? Not going to a corner at a knockdown doesn't seem to have ever favored him, which ones would?
     
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  15. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Did you see the post he sent to me responding to that comment , he was not in a good mood, said I was trolling him ? Then told me I was not worthy of a reply ( with the 12 fighters ) because I have not posted thousands of times , like that matters, anyway he has gone rather silent on the topic. Keep well. ;)