If a punch lands on the arms or gloves and you go to the canvas should it be a knockdown?

But its otherwise a non scoring punch. How does that make sense?

 

They show the sequence again on replay from the overhead angle after the round (3:12 - 3:14 in your video). From the overheard angle you can see that the left hook body shot appears to hit Rios's back as Rios is dipping down. Hitting a body shot to someone's back isn't usually described as a clean body shot. A clean body shot is generally to the side of the body when a boxer is standing upright.

The problem is that you can clearly see Pac's right glove resting on the back of the neck of Rios. Rios may have exaggerated it and dipped down himself voluntarily while Pac's glove was resting on his neck, but it gave the impression at least that Pacquiao had a hold of the back of his neck and was pushing his head down. Rios was off balance from that and was about to fall over before the left hook even landed and since the left appeard to hit him in the back there were too many borderline fouls or "issues" for the ref to call it a knockdown. You could certainly argue that it was a knockdown, but I wouldn't call it a clear knockdown. There's some doubt as to whether or not Pac pushed Rios down on his neck with his right glove which led to him falling down. That combined with the left hand appearing to hit Rios in the back as he was put off balance from Pac having a hold of his head, I think that enough for the ref to not be sure that it should have been called a legit knockdown.

 

As long as your allowed to hit that area, and the punch is powerful enough to get the opponent on the canvas, I’d call it a knockdown

 

But it's not a scoring blow. Kind of a catch 22.
I think it's fine not to rule it as a KD.

 

Yes 100% should be a knock down. I knocked someone out cold in highschool by hittin them in the arm lol.

 

Wow. Just because she wouldn't go to prom with you?

 

Is guard scoring part? Yes or no?

I will not agree but if he is down and isn't quickly up then I think KD.
If he after getting down immediately and quickly is up then maybe better if no.

 

Probably when he fall down had to hit with head wall or floor. There is this. Schools walls and floors aren't ring surface.

 

to answer to question, yes it should.
if this wouldnt be the case, imagine all the possible controversies this could give birth to... there is already enough subjective crap in boxing.

 

Yawn Covid Boredom...

 

Does it really matter where a blow lands? Any scoring punch that causes any body part [other than the soles of a fighter's feet] to touch the canvas should plainly count as a knockdown. Where you get into tricky territory is where there's a flurry of action including some grappling and it's hard to say which single event causes a fighter to go down.

Only semi-related, here's an pretty clear example of a correct knockdown call

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And IMO an incorrect one

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I think partially does matters because if there guy quckly is getting up ASAP and isn't hurt. Ofc if he isn't up and ready quickly, then I think KD must be counted, why not, with including time when he was down of course from first second.

 

Absolutely not fine to not call a knockdown a knockdown for any reason other than a slip or an illegal punch. Olympics might be different but in the pros I don't even see this as a controversial topic whatsoever

 

Ok.
If you land a punch in the shoulder, it's not a scoring punch.
But if it sends the opponent off balance(and they touch the canvas), it's a scoring blow?

I am perfectly fine with it not being scored as a KD.
I would also be fine with the opposite. As long as it's an actual official rule.
*This reminds me of not bein allowed to punch with both hands simutainiously.

 

It doesn't matter whether it's a scoring blow or not. If you are struck by your opponent and it causes you to voluntarily or involuntary go to the canvas you have been knocked down. There's nothing in the pro rules that state it has to be a "scoring blow".