Greatest Contenders - Junior middleweights (super-welters)

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  1. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Continuing our discussion. Today, give me your 15 greatest contenders never to win the junior middleweight title.

    The rules are, they must have competed at the weight and never won a World, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO, NBA or NYSAC recognized title at the selected weight (Interim, Colored, White, IBU, BBBC, state recognized other than New York, Country only recognized or any organization south of WBO are not recognized titles, so their champions are eligible as contenders). Also, since I am not recognizing Straw, jr. fly, super fly, super bantam, super middle or cruiser, the champions and contenders in the omitted classes are eligible at the higher weight. If they did move up and win that respective title like Roman Gonzalez, they are ineligible as a contender. Easy enough? Please ask if I am gliding over something. And don't sweat the order, just give me your best 15.

    I know its not super-deep, guys, but let's give it a go. Also, only fighters when the division actually existed


    Here are mine:

    -Joey Giambra
    -Teddy Wright
    -Stan Harrington
    -Stan 'Kitten' Hayward
    -Gypsy Joe Harris
    -Eddie Pace
    -Tony Chiaverini
    -Herol Graham
    -Tony Ayala
    -Clint Jackson
    -James 'Hardrock' Green
    -David Braxton
    -Tony Braxton
    -Charley Weir
    -Fred Hutchings
     
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  2. The Fighting Yoda

    The Fighting Yoda Active Member Full Member

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    Great list! I did a bit research and would like to add Luigi Minchillo (My personal favourite, from my favourite country Italy with fights against Duran, Hearns and McCallum), Vanes Martirosyan (very confusing with all his titles, but I think he is eligible), Kermit Cintron, James Kirkland, Tony Marshall, Gregory Clark, Rodney Jones and Louis Acaries.
     
  3. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Not in specific order
    1. Sergio Martinez
    2. Antonio Margarito
    3. Herol Graham
    4. Guillermo Jones
    5. Bronco McKart
    6. Lubin
    7. Carlos Molina
    8. Vanes
    9. Kofi Jantuah
    10. Jorge Castro
    11. Aaron Davis
     
  4. clum

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    This was a fairly deep division in the '80s. One of the tougher contenders in that era was Moroccan Said Skouma, the longtime Euro champ fighting out of France, who used that belt to get a couple of cracks at world champions Mike McCallum and Buster Drayton. He fought pretty well against McCallum, but McCallum was a class above and Skouma caught some bad breaks in that fight. IIRC one of the rounds lasted 4:30. Duva was screaming, "Bell, bell, bell!" and then as McCallum began to dominate in the extra time he shut the hell up. The Drayton fight looks from the highlights on YouTube to have been an absolute war.

    Skouma was game and had heavy hands, but he needed better defense or more durability to truly reach the next level. His bout with Jimmy Cable was another instance of him getting into a brutal fight and failing to make the final bell. He was really in control of that one, too.
     
  5. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yoda, well done. All solid contenders.
     
  6. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    NoNeck, with the exception of Bronco McKart who won the WBO title and Carlos Molina who won the IBF title, they're all solid contenders. Well done.
     
  7. George Crowcroft

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    The Manc in me feels the need to mention Jamie Moore. Whether or not he's actually worthy is another story.
     
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  8. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Leicester's Chris Pyatt deserves a mention. Very dominant on the home front but didn't really fight the big American names. He did get a title shot against a very useful John David Jackson but what sticks out for me is the points win up at middleweight against Sumbu Kalambay for the WBO title which he defended a couple of times, Chris was never really a middleweight as the Steve Collins fight showed, Steve was just too big and strong for him. He went back to light middle to finish off his career and didn't hang around too long.
     
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  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    George, Jamie Moore is a solid pick. British, Commonwealth and European champ with several title defenses to his credit. He's good. I will say one thing, however. It's amazing the difference in competition from back in the day. Jamie Moore gets a British and Commonwealth title shot having fought really only 6 rounders. As opposed to Billy Bird, who had over 300 fights and fought a slew of 10, 12 and 15 rounders but the best he got was an eliminator for the Southern Area title. Amazing the difference in competition.
     
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  10. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Al, Chris is solid, and I agree, he was more jr. middle than middle.
     
  11. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    I nwver seem to keep track of the belts. WBO was so lightly regarded back then that I must have erased McKart's belt from memory.
     
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  12. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Someone who hasn't been mentioned and is right up there with the very best is Emile Griffith. He very rarely weighed in at the middleweight limit and even came in below 154 for middleweight title fights.
     
  13. George Crowcroft

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    He did win a version of the light middleweight title, but was only recognised by the Australian Board.
     
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  14. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes I was aware of that and I think the original post wouldn't recognize that title but it is more reason for including him at the weight. Scar will have to say whether he's happy with it.
     
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