Josh Warrington's career is in tatters. Matchroom have a history of terrible match making!

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  1. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    No, he had his career ruined because he fought like a stupid and arrogant brat and his corner had no real game plan, probably didn't even tape that Lara guy before the fight.

    Explain me why Warrington went to war with that guy?

    I didn't pick Lara for the upset, i do not want to act arrogant or like i know it all but there were some clear signs that Lara is very heavy handed on tape and we all know Mexicans are dangerous, their records can look weird or like **** and they could be still incredibly dangerous. He's not the first Mexican who came out of nowhere, beat up a well known name and turned out to be world champion material or at least turned out to be much much better than anyone thought he was. Remember Navarette who beat Dogboe twice. He was a huge underdog in the first fight and totally beat him up. Or the guy who stopped Angel Acosta. Another random Mexican. Well, that guy at least came from behind and scored a late Knockout while losing on the cards. Lara actually won rounds before he dropped Warrington for the first time.

    It's just ridiculous to blame the promoter here. Warrington would have won easily with a good game plan and some discipline. Instead he went to war with a heavy handed mexican brawler. Well...blame Warrington for a bull**** performance. It's not like it was a coming from behind Knockout out of nowhere. Lara was actually winning the fight before, he was beating Warrington up and landed several hard shots from the opening bell and was winning rounds even before the first Knockdown.
     
  2. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just been talking to Tommy Ward about it all!
     
  3. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The point is though he clearly is heavy handed yes, he clearly has been active while Warrington has been inactive. Warrington has never fought in the bubble before and that clearly has had an effect on a lot of fighters. He clearly had nothing to gain from this fight either so how was he supposed to get motivated for it.

    How was this good match making. For anyone saying I'm calling for hand picked fights all the time no I'm calling for proper match making.

    Everyone goes on about how great UFC match making us compared to boxing because they're matched harder.

    Do you think the UFC would have matched Brook vs. Golovkin?

    Do you think the UFC would have let Warrington be inactive for 16 months and then put him in with an unknown opponent?

    Do you think the UFC would do nothing with Joseph Parker for years and now finally he's getting in with Chisora which is still not exactly great.

    Think about all this for second. This isn't tough match making it's terrible match making and handling of fighters and it's detrimental to the sport.
     
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  4. lufcrazy

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    I get what you say from a fighters fan point of view.

    Like as a Warrington fan, u understand what you mean.

    But for me, the reality is Warrington going into this fight was the number 1 FW in the world. He should have been able to beat any man from 126 or under with a full training camp.

    Seeing him so thoroughly outclassed was bizarre. I feel like Lara must be a lot better than I thought, because Warrington was the proven number 1 and had esrnt his ranking there.

    I just don't know. Not fully processed this result yet tbh.

    I like Warrington, I'm a Leeds fan myself and it was great seeing him flying the flag. But if he's not ready for Lara, what's he doing being the number 1 FW man.
     
  5. El Gallo Negro

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    They just need to stop propping up these pretty boy type fighters from gated communities.
    They food every time they get hit square
     
  6. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    What would be proper matchmaking here? Feeding him some old shopworn Brits he gonna beat like 12-0 and just getting some better sparring rounds in against opponents who not throwing back ****? Come on man. Excuses, excuses, excuses. Getting some good rounds in against a solid dangerous guy is what we want to see from boxing. Upsets. Or at least guys who might be ABLE to pull an upset. We don't want to see guys coming to survive or to lose for a nice little paycheck. And a Promoter wants to make money. And money is made due to selling tickets, PPVs.

    The UFC comparison is just ridiculous too. The UFC is THE major MMA promotion in the world. Matchroom IS one of four or five big promotions out on the boxing market next to PBC, Top Rank, GBP, Queensberry/Warren and tons of other smaller but still well known promotions (Duva, Loeffler, Salita, King, RJJ, Zanfer, DiBella, Sauerland, Mayweather and so on)...

    You also can not compare the UFC to Boxing because the divisions are so small. How many fighters fighting in one division for the UFC? Some of them doesn't even have 40 fighters so it's much easier to match the top guys against each other because the overall leve is much higher. You do not have a lot of bums in the UFC. Of course you have different levels but there is a natural choice of signing guys and the UFC usually signing fighters who made some runs on the regional scene or at bigger promotions like LFA, Belly or PFL.

    The UFC just wanted to match new hyped prospect Chimaev who signed with the promotion a few months ago last year against proven world class fighter in Leon Edwards. Chimaev not even an UFC fighter for 1 year and already getting such a dangerous opponent. THIS is dangerous but great matchmaking. Edwards isn't a big name compared to Colby, Usman and or so, even Woodley still has a bigger name at this point but is shot to pieces.

    I can tell you why the UFC is getting a good reputation for their matchmaking: They do not care about fighters losing or losing their 0. In boxing everybody wants to keep the 0. They rather match undefeated guys against total scrubs and bums to create padded records and to create some stupid hype because of that. In the UFC they give a **** about records and 0s. Boxing is different. If you lose your 0 in boxing the career is basically over if it comes to media and public reactions.

    Your examples are ridiculous. Joseph Parker had four high profile fights within 1,5 years before he signed with Matchroom in 2019. He fought Ruiz, Hughie, Joshua and Whyte between December 2016 and July 2018. What do you expect? He took a few tough losses there. He needed some time to regroup otherwise they would have indeed ruined his career. Fa is a good fight for Parker this month considering their amateur rivalry and the way Fa looked in the pros it's a tough but winnable fight for Parker and a good way to bring himself in position beating an undefeated prospect with a decent amateur background. It's also a good domestic clash in New Zealand.

    Warrington was inactive for 16 months because Covid-19 hit the world. Canelo Alvarez was also inactive for 13 months and came back with a relatively short notice fight against a taller, bigger guy at 168 who was supposed to be the next big thing. Well, Canelo absolutely destroyed that big dosser from the UK because Smith is another overrated hype job from the UK who beat absolutely nobody apart from a shot and old Groves. He lost the Ryder fight but got the classic Matchroom robbery.
     
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  7. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I've already said Tommy Ward would have been the right fight. He's 29-0-1 British they have sparred each other it gets our fans interested and gets both fighters motivated. I didn't even know Warrington was in action last night.

    The UFC is only one promotion too Bellator and One has good fighters. Eddie Hearn has Matchroom and DAZN to work with and he pulls off **** shows like this.

    Like I said why not have Tommy Ward I just did a video with him he wanted the fight.

    As for shopworn British fighters why not it was supposed to be a warm up fight to get rid of the ring rust. If he's going to be matched hard they should have kept him busy. He's just fought potentially the next champion probably for peanuts after a 16 month layoff.
     
  8. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    So yeah...you wanted to see the Warrington shutout 12-0 against a guy who lost to Essomba in his last fight (who was robbed) and has zero power too so the chance of an upset was like what? 0,000005%? Nobody wants to see Warrington against a featherfisted Brit who will get outworked 3:1 over 12 rounds and losing all rounds based on output bu

    UFC is the biggest promotion in the world. And has the best reputation too. Everyone wants to fight in the UFC. UFC could sign almost everyone if they want to. Not everyone wants to fight for Matchroom. Comparison is stupid and ridiculous.
     
  9. Perkin Warbeck

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    It was the long period of inactivity that affected Warrington, as well as his taking Lara too lightly.

    I've seen it many times over the years - fighters losing their focus and going into a decline due to inactivity.
     
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  10. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tommy Ward beat Essomba and shut out 12 and 0 you obviously haven't heard what goes on when they spar. Either way it made more sense than this.
     
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  11. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well said mate but Eddie Hearn is in no small part responsible for that. I know circumstances haven't been the best but Warren would have matched him up better.
     
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  12. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    Stop this **** man. Essomba was winning the fight. Ward has beaten NOBODY at 126. His best win is Jazza at 122. He barely fought a living body at 126 and now putting him into a fight with Warrington is proper matchmaking? Ward is another british hype job who would have lost a decision to Warrington because he was even featherfisted at 122. He can't punch for ****. Your posts are just UK bias and BS.

    Everyone would rather see an unknown Mexican who can punch like a mule against Warrington than a guy like Ward.
     
  13. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Listen Ward was winning. Officials called it a draw and he had a really bad cut after a long lay off too. Who had that Mexican lad beaten exactly? You were saying a minute ago that he'd only fought cab drivers so why is he so much more deserving than Ward? In what would be a big domestic fight too.

    Exactly I have got you clamped there.
     
  14. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Do you think Hearn made this fight with the fans in mind?
     
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  15. f1ght3rz

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    Say what you want about Hearn. He had a lot of dull cards in the UK and in the US. Prospects were fighting low level guys or bums in boring fights. But i recognized he changed his mind quite a bit during the pandemic. I saw a lot of interviews where he said now with the pandemic going on promoters have to change their mind and make good fights, interesting fights, dog fights. And i can't complain so far. I don't know why he picked Lara. Probably because he thought Warrington would easily outbox him to a dec but Lara still looking dangerous and could make it entertaining compared to some shopworn brits he could have picked or other scrubs who probably just came to take the paycheck. Anyway, i liked that matchup from the first second, although i wasn't thrilled for this card last night it turned out to be great and all three fights had upset potential with Kiko, Lara and Mould. All the underdogs were live and one got the upset. I rather see cards like that than 3 x UD wins for the A-side guys.