If Cooney had won that fight ...he would have become one of the biggest stars in boxing history...it would have made more sense to pay Holmes to lose
As others have said, Cooney would have been a massively lucrative champion, but lets examine the financial incentive for him to dive. You would not have got very long odds on Holmes beating Cooney, unless you were able to specify the manner in which he would do so. Therefore it is reasonable to assume that Cooney would have decided to go down in a specific round. Going down in the 13th round would have been a massive risk, because if Holmes had stopped him before that, the investment would have been lost. I therefore conclude that if Cooney had thrown the fight, he would almost certainly have done it in the early rounds.
The odds for the fight were 8-5 Holmes for the two weeks leading up to the fight then a few days before the fight the odds moved to 7-5 Holmes. Those aren’t odds that are indicative of people making huge money on a thrown fight. There was lots of betting on Cooney as that is where the big money was to be made.
I'm going to fight Tyson Fury. I'm going to give you all the inside scoop so you can bet big and win: I'm going to lose.
The new fix is done behind the scenes now and has resulted in some spectacular failures. Pirog V Jacobs was great in that sense. The new fix, that you called scripting, is to make it highly unlikely fighter B will win. Is this is what you’re referring to?? Canelo and his team have mastered it with short camps, rehydration clauses etc etc but before that was the inflated Title holder. Take for Example: Tyson v Seldon. I don’t think it was a traditional fix. Seldon wasn't bribed to take a dive. Bruce Seldon got $5 million. Gamblers find it harder to fix fights when fighters command that kind of money. Fights used to be fixable when the purse would be a few grand, twenty grand, not millions. But the Seldon scenario goes like this: Bruce Seldon had the title and not much else. He even got that by fiat, not by punches. He defended it against Joe Hipp in an event about as well attended as a poetry reading at the bottom of the Atlantic. Don King simply approached him with the proposition: Fight Mike Tyson and get a great payday, $5 million to be exact, and escape with all your teeth and eyes and ears and enjoy it. Don was not at all interested in another Buster Douglas outcome for his meal ticket, Tyson. You are 100% correct though, the fix has changed, the fake fights remain the same.
Yea course I agree with that to, and my grandpa used to fix small fights in the neighborhood and would tell guys which round to get knocked out in, or would order them to lose a decision. I was a kid when he was doing this so my first take on boxing was that it was fake lol. That’s the type of fix I was referring to, your probably right about there being too much money involved for that type of fix. Also what’s your opinion on Pirog vs Jacobs? You think it was fixed?
There are some fights that deserve scrutiny for them being fixes. Holmes vs Cooney is not one of them.
Part cherry pick gone wrong, part WBO not doing their homework. Jacobs was the HBO backed Media star and there exists a great clip somewhere of the WBO president ringside with his jaw on the floor after Jacobs got dropped. Obviously not what he had pre-planned. Edit: Found the link. Starts @4:15 This content is protected
None of his testimony ever resulted in someone going to jail. He himself spent 8 years in prison, including a couple years in solitary. If he had been a stooge, he would have been whacked out quite easily because he's always had a high profile, never hid away from anyone. Bottom line he was never a stooge. Informant yes, mainly about stuff that he did, but never giving out info with other people's names with enough force to put them in jail...which info the government was looking for.
