Tyson Fury vs Ezzard Charles

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Devon, Feb 17, 2021.



  1. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    These old vs new threads are becoming more and more meaningless, imo. They seem to attract trolls, who somehow think it's fun to talk utter nonsense, just for the hell of it.

    Charles beating Fury? Does anyone HONESTLY think so? I highly doubt it!
     
  2. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes. I honestly believe that Ezzard Charles, if he could be brought back and given his prime body, would beat Tyson Fury. It's not a knock on Fury. As I said before, I like Tyson Fury. I love watching him fight. He would just be out of his league with Charles. Charles had 5 times as much ring experience as Fury. Much of that was against excellent competition. That has meaning, and more than offsets the size advantage. Try to picture Tyson Fury attempting to fight the Charles schedule. What would his record be at the end of that run? Would he even finish that run? Speed, skills, and experience mean a LOT more in boxing than size does when you're talking about Heavyweights over 185 pounds. This would not be a sumo wrestling match; it would be a boxing match. I'm still picking Charles, by unanimous decision, and most times it wouldn't be close. It's my honest, humble opinion. Make of it what you will.
     
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  3. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No we dont. I dont watch youtube. I spent a life going to see terrific fighters live and seeing the live action free on tv every week. Boxing in Eng and Europe and Asia is booming. Here in the States it is dead. Philly, Detroit, New York, Chicago, New Jersey dead. Nothing like pre 1980s when I went to so many great shows a yr live in person.
     
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  4. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is right on the money for me

    Fury gets flatten twice against a guy who can't fight .. He puts on weight and Bull rushes the same guy who cant box ... so freggin what ?? I actually see the trolling the other way around ... when Ruiz is matched with Holyfield , and AJ matched with other ATGS .. Its a joke ,, etc etc etc .. ... and Maywether is matched with SRR, SRL ,Hearns , etc etc etc .. .are you kidding me ?? ... I personally would put the fight at 50-50 .... But to think Charles has no chance ,,, I do not agree with that
     
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  5. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If that's your honest, unbiased opinion, then that's fine. And if Fury was just some 270 lbs clown who couldn't fight, I'd agree with you. But Fury is much more. He's a giant who can actually box and move at a fast pace, without gassing after 6 rounds. That he would be "out of his league" against Charles and that it "wouldn't be close", I find hard to believe. But if you say so...
     
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  6. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. I remember Tunney giving an interview in the 50’s and saying the biggest weakness Charles had was that he liked to fight too much and should’ve taken more breaks in between his fights with top competition.

    Charles would sometimes fight more contenders in a year than later champions would fight in their entire career. Archie Moore also loved fighting top contenders back to back. Fury’s definitely talented, but he still hasn’t done enough to prove he could beat Charles.
     
  7. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Please correct me if I'm wrong, but are you not the guy...

    - Who claim that Vitali would lose to guys like Johnny Risko, Tommy Farr, Eddie Blunt, Marvis Frazier, etc.?
    - Who claim that Conn and Maxim would both flatten Usyk?
    - Who, before their fight, picked Bellew to knock out Usyk?

    And now I should believe you, when you say Charles would defeat Fury? I don't think so...
     
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  8. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I like Vitali and he’s very effective against durable punchers that stand in front of him, but not so good against crafty fighters. His fights and Byrd and Lewis proved that. Vitali was very picky with his competition for a reason. Wlad being a much better boxer than Vitali fought and beat the guys like Ibragimov, Haye, Byrd (beat Vitali), and Eddie Chambers, who would’ve been tough style matchups for Vitali.

    However, I have to ask have you seen Eddie Blunt fight? How many of Farr’s, Risko’s, or M. Frazier’s fights have you seen?

    Also, Maxim and Conn fought much tougher competition than Usyk. Guys like Nardico, Satterfield, Pastor, or Barlund would clean out Usyk’s resume.

    As for picking Bellew over Usyk Bellew did prove to be a tough stylistic match, since Bellew wasn’t a straight forward opponent like Gassiev and far more experienced, but Usyk’s youth, durability, and conditioning won him the fight, which Usyk ofcourse deserved credit for.

    As for Fury he’s beat some good fighters, but none of them had Ezzard’s fighting experience. The only two guys that Fury’s fought that had anywhere near Ezzard’s fighting experience were Wlad and Zack Page, who both had 60+ fights. Both Wlad and Page were in their late 30’s when they fought Fury, but their experience showed.

    Until Fury can show that he can handle prosperity it’s too soon to pick him over Charles, who for years consistently beat the best of the best.
     
  9. Seamus

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    Fury is far better at imposing his style at heavyweight than Charles and thus would be more effect. In quick order, his physicality takes over... KO6.
     
  10. DanDaly

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    Idk if some of the people here have selective memory loss or they just don’t care but the guy that’s matched up with Charles is the same guy that punched himself in the face and also was nearly knocked out by Steve Cunningham.

    Who are these amazing scalps on his resume?

    He’s got one over Wilder who has had glaring holes in his game since he’s been a pro. The near opposite of Charles in terms of skill. Fury just happened to be good enough to expose him. It was bound to happen sooner or later. Wilder was also 34 and had been pro for over 11 years with 42 bouts in that time frame.

    His other “good win” is over 39 year old Wlad when he was 27. Despite what revisionists think, Wlad was not the same fighter he was in his younger years. It was an insanely boring fight with no knockdowns and no good moments.

    Tyson Fury deserves his current rating in the division however he has not shown he would be capable of beating prime fighters at a skill level that he has not encountered yet. Not when the vast majority of his resume has been made up of lower quality competition than what Charles faced at heavyweight.
     
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  11. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Do you think the clip of Fury punching himself in the face, is representative of his technical ability?

    Yes, Fury was down against Cunningham, but got up to win. Why not mention the many knockdowns suffered by Charles during his career?

    Charles was a very, very good fighter... but Fury is a giant, who can box a bit himself. The size-difference would simply be too much for Charles to overcome, imo.
     
  12. DanDaly

    DanDaly Active Member Full Member

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    To a limited extent. Ezzard Charles never punched himself in the face during a fight. Fury is uncoordinated enough that he did. It’s not nothing.

    I’d be interested in hearing these knockdowns that prime Charles suffered at heavyweight against opposition of the same standing that Cunningham was. A 36 year old with under 50% of his wins by knockout. Arguably prime Charles never lost a fight at heavyweight.

    You put a lot of stock in size at heavyweight. When dealing with sub heavyweights I understand but I’m not sure why at heavyweight. Personally, I think size is more of a determining factor against two fighters of similar skill. Unfortunately for Fury he just isn’t. There’s just way to much respect that needs to be shown to not only the best that Charles beat but the frequency that he beat them. Fury doesn’t come close to this at all. He had to have a huge build up just to draw with wilder the first time then had to have 2 tune ups to finally be ready to beat him.
     
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  13. mr. magoo

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    Pound for pound Charles was leagues better than Fury. But I think the size difference is a bit too much to ask.
     
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  14. Seamus

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    That's a disservice to Fury. At his best he is an almost impossible combination of mobility, balance, speed with size. His problems tend to be between the ears... long inactivity, lack of focus, bad habits, distractions.

    At his rare peaks, he is more than a handful for any heavyweight who ever lived.
     
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  15. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Yeah well. I agree he beats Charles
     
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