Tony Canzoneri: In Summary

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  1. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is an easy In Summary to write, really. Canzoneri was a great fighter on and off of film, and he was such a skillful boxer, as well as a great puncher, that finding negative things to say about him would be both disrespectful as well as a damn well task to set your mind to.
    The first time I watched Canzoneri fight was against Jackie "Kid" Berg. While he was no Barney Ross or Jimmy McLarnin, it was a terrific performance. Actually, it embodied every aspect of Canzoneri that I myself deem as being part of Canzoneri's greatness. He was excellent on both defensive and offensive. He was fast, but could also punch very hard. He could move well when he chose to. He was a helluva counterpuncher, and he was immovable. I have absolutely no criticism for his style.
    Canzoneri's resume is impeccable. On film, we have wins over the great Kid Chocolate, and defeats over Lou Ambers and Jimmy McLarnin. He never defeated Barney Ross, but gave him a helluva time in a close, two-sided scrap they had in their rematch. The fights we can see on his record that we can't watch are also quite impressive, wins over Al Singer, Kid Chocolate, Billy Petrolle, and Lew Massey.
    In addition to being a proficient, proof provided by the screen, and having a great resume, Canzoneri was also an entertainer. He was a beautiful fighter who always delivered something of interest, whether it was a picture-perfect KO, an intriguing chess match, or a wild brawl. Actually, I think Canzoneri was one of the most entertaining of all the 30s fighters, across all divisions. His grueling battles with Kid Chocolate, Barney Ross, and Jimmy McLarnin (all on film), rank among the great 30s matches (the Chocolate fight is probably the best fight of the whole 1930s).
    I have to throw in there that my dad is radically pro-heavyweight. But after seeing Canzoneri knock out Berg in three rounds, and seeing him stand toe-to-toe with Chocolate for 15 rounds, my dad's loyalties immediately went to Canzoneri (also cuz of how many dull fights we had seen up to that point). So, that is a small testimony to Canzoneri.
     
  2. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    Top 25 all-time without a doubt and a strong argument for a top 20 spot as well. He might have been the most naturally talented fighter of the entire 1930s.
     
  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    One of the all-time masters of footwork and positioning. As well as one of the craftiest counter-punchers ever. Unbreakable jaw, great stamina and endurance. Brilliant defence. A true weight jumper, who's fights with Ross were unbelievably close and their outcome came down to lowblow deductions.

    I have him at 12. Ever. One of the best lightweights ever, the GOAT JFW IMO.

    Unbelievable fighter.
     
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  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Great, great fighter who looks great on film.

    I think the only knock on him were issues of inconsistency. Whether those issues were manifested from his preparation and focus or from the styles of certain of his competition, I do not know.
     
  5. LoadedGlove

    LoadedGlove Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That fight with Berg. Was that the one where he blitzed Jack in four ? That was amazing. Nobody blew Berg away in those days.
     
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  6. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    William, I think you should learn more about Jackie (Kid) Berg.
     
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  7. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I've read and seen some evidence on film that he could make things sometimes harder on himself than he needed to, by trying to outdo his opponent at their own game. I haven't seen more than maybe three fights of his, but from what I've read that did backfire on him from time to time.
     
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  8. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not writing Berg off. I confess I haven't checked his record, but he was clearly not the caliber of fighter of Ross, McLarnin, or Ambers.
     
  9. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good post
     
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  10. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That is not obvious to me. He was a junior welterweight champion. He had the best record in America of any British fighter until the modern era. He defeated Petrolle, Canzoneri, Billy Wallace, Kid Chocolate twice, Andre Routis, and Mushy Callahan. He had over 190 fights in a 21-year professional career. He fought Canzoneri three times, winning a popular 10 round decision in their first fight prior to being stopped in their second. He was dropped in the first round of their third fight, but then went on to convincingly outpoint him until the eighth round when Canzoneri hit him with a patently low blow which would have resulted in a disqualification in just about any jurisdiction except no-foul-rule New York. He never recovered from that low punch. The fight completely turned around from that point and Tony went on to win the decision.
     
  11. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I mean, it's not like Berg's on any ATG lists like Ross, McLarnin, and Ambers are, but that is a good resume you supplied excerpts from, especially the wins over Chocolate and Petrolle. I was aware he had previously beaten Canzoneri. That does vouch for his credibility.
     
  12. Jel

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    Yeah, and he actually did it in 3!

    He had three fights with Berg - the first Berg won a 10 round decision, the second was the one punch kayo and the third was the one @KasimirKid describes which Canzoneri won on points. Unfortunately for Berg, the KO defeat is the only one on film as far as I know.
     
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  13. ron davis

    ron davis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Jimmy McLarnin hit harder then all mentioned above. I respect all the boxers mentioned, they were the best, under Armstrong. Does anyone have any letters from Jimmy McLarnin, I personally doubt it, as he wasn't into correspondence. I am very proud to have received a letter from him back in 1990 concerning Davey Day, saying Davey would have been the Lt. weight Champion, if he wasn't in the stable with Ross, as early as 1935. Google, Henry Armstrong vs. Davey Day and read the description of the photo offered on Ebay, you don't have to bid on it. All the best fighters of the Golden Age Of Boxing are mentioned, and all information is verifiable. Have a nice day.
     
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  14. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    what is this?
     
  15. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ron has a special interest in Davey Day. He's carrying the torch for him, and bravo for that. It is good to keep the names alive of some of the lesser known great fighters for at least one more generation. Just like I carry the torch for quite a few fighters including Petrolle, Sharkey, and a bunch of fighters from the Pacific Northwest and St. Paul, MN. I have to restrain myself from over-commenting and boring everyone!