Fitness + trainers

The trainer oversees everything, of course they are involved.

I know Dom Ingle is big on this.

However, sometimes I think trainers try to hide away from it after a defeat to avoid criticism. (Coldwell after Price's defeat to Hammer comes to mind).

 

Adam booth is a first class knob gobbler

 

Tbf even as a coach your letting your man down if you can see hes not fit enough to execute your game plan.

Depending on level,due affordability etc but surely even as just trainer u would want know who is s+c coach etc and wjat they are doing.

As a professional to be in shape should be complete norm

 

Wasn’t it only recently trainers/people where criticising the involvement of SC coaches in boxing?

surely the trainer HAS to be involved in the fitness side? If you don’t know your man is capable of going a full 12 etc haw can you coach him before and during a fight?

 

Too many fighters and teams trying to reinvent the wheel.

We seen the likes of Ali and Frazier go at it hammer and tong for 15 rounds back in the 70's, what did they do? Long runs, sparring, heavy bag, floor routine, shadow boxing.....

Nowadays every fighter has an " S&C coach " that has them running upside down underwater and doing hand stands on egg shells - in many cases it's complete over kill.

 

Speaking as an S&C coach, I know that Josh is an incredible athlete and that his camp was on point. The problem here was a combination of his weight cut and a lack of professional fight experience. Avanesyan forced Josh to fight for the full 3 minutes of every round and consequently broke him down during the process. The weight drain would account for how quickly he marked up and the amount he bled so I would definitely question Booth as manager, trainer and conditioner for not realising how Josh was be under duress at the weight. I believe he’ll
move up and look a different fighter.

 

I don't think JK was unfit he looked in very good shape, I just think it was a case of it wa too soon for him.
We are seeing it time and time again now, our best prospects are refusing to fight each other in favour of fighting romainian plumbers and african taxi drivers, they need to start winning British and commonwealth and defending a few times then going on to euro level before world honors.
But instead they are fighting 10 bums then going for a ABC international belt for the ranking then getting mullered by a hot Mexican.
The 0 seems more important than a learning experience.
Fighters need to get it into there mind that a loss is not the end of the world and if you lose you don't need to retire, look at Chisora he has 10 losses and is still headlining terrible PPV cards.
I think JK would have been very nervous in the build up as he had the 0 he was the favorite and he was very hyped, I think he gasses from nervous engery burn and that is because of the above he dosnt have the experience of being in big fights.

 

It probably had some effect,that and the intense pressure Ava was putting on caused panic in Kelly and he started to gas.

 

My guess would be in the gym Kelly is probably a machine fit as a fiddle , all they kept saying all week leading upto the fight the tremendous shape he’s in ! A pro fighter who is at the level Kelly is going to be as fit as you probably could want him to be , but on fight night under the lights it’s a different story a lot of fighters look like **** and look anything but fit . This has a lot to do with all the nervous energy and stress they put themselves under.

david price is a prime example I remember watching an interview with one of his precious trainers can’t recall who it was but he said price in the gym can spar 15 rounds with 5 different fresh guys one after the other and looks the same in the first as he does the last , then come fight night he looks like he couldn’t climb a flight of stairs without passing out after two rounds under the lights !

 

Agree with the above...possibly a combination of the weight cut, nervous energy, lack of fight experience at that level. Maybe just one of them maybe all three.

I think these guys are being rushed atm tbh. Its allright talking about the 0 not being important but the fans and the public are a fickle bunch...they only want to really be associated with the winner...the best out there. A lot of it nowadays is kidding them on for as long as possible. Can hardly blame fighters/coaches/managers/promoters for it...bearing in mind how quickly the fans can go. Even joshua was another defeat against ruiz away from becoming a joke figure. Thats how fickle people can be.

 

I don't know about the weight drain causing increased bleeding, in fairness. But yeah, broadly you are right. The weight drain, lack of too flight experience, and Ava's relentless pressure all combined were too much for the lad.