Fury-Joshua: odds and revealed public opinion

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  1. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Despite it being hyped in some quarters as a 50-50 fight, Fury is a heavy favourite in the betting. For every £10 placed on a Fury win, there's a return of £15.71, while £10 on an AJ win would earn a return of £27.50. This amounts to a profit of £5.71 for a Fury win and a £17.50 for an AJ win: more than 3x as much. Despite the relatively meagre returns for a Fury victory and the theoretically massive rewards for a Joshua upset, 57.58% of the bets so far have been placed on Fury to win, with 35.35% on AJ. Odds of 4/7 for Fury to win equate to an implied probability of about 65%, with 7/4 for AJ equating to about 35% (with the remainder on a draw and the bookies cut).

    This suggests that Fury is an overwhelming favourite with the public. If the odds were even for either man to win (as would be the case in a genuine 50-50) something like 75% of bets that specified a winner would be on Fury. This means that those who believe that AJ has a 50-50 chance (or better) should be betting heavily on him to win, as the market is systemically underestimating the likelihood of his victory. It also suggests that AJ is not as popular as he was a few years ago and that even his fans have little faith in him to beat Fury.

    I suspect this is true of many AJ supporters on this forum. They will talk up his chances and vocally support him but won't be putting their money where their mouth is come fight night.

    (If it goes the distance, don't rule out a draw even if AJ is thoroughly outboxed. Like Fury-Wilder or GGG-Canelo, this outcome would generate more interest in a rematch and make a trilogy more likely, which are strong financial incentives. A draw can also be split, majority A, majority B, or unanimous).
     
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  2. miniq

    miniq Tyson Fury Undisputed HW Champion 18/5/24 banned Full Member

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    Where can I bet with these odds

    If i can get EVS I'll put my life savings on Fury.
     
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  3. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not everyone cares to bet on fights.
     
  4. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Betfair, Paddy Power and William Hill offer the best odds on a Fury win at 4/7. You won't get close to evens though unless Fury's mind games manage to convince the public that he's badly out of shape and bricking it. So far there's been no shift but it's not impossible that there will be a late surge on AJ.
     
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  5. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Paddy Power is offering 11/4 for a Fury KO/TKO/win by DQ. Might be worth a flutter.
     
  6. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If I'll get almost 3 times my bet back for Joshua I'll put some money on him. That's really attractive odds imo.
     
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  7. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    £17.50 profit on £10 down for an AJ win, which is over 3x the £5.71 profit on £10 down for a Fury win. An AJ KO/TKO on paddy power would get you £30 profit for every £10 put down. If you believe that AJ has around a 50-50 chance or better, they should be attractive odds.
     
  8. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    They are.
     
  9. Decker

    Decker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good to see some serious quantitative and psychological analysis here... and not the usual hot air :D

    I'm slightly surprised the odds aren't closer. You might be right, the AJ backers aren't as confident as they're posting. Not if it takes that much of an incentive for AJ betters to "balance the books".
     
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  10. covetousjuice

    covetousjuice Putin did nothing wrong Full Member

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    Those odds aren't that unfavorable for AJ. Truly meaningful odds are more like >10:1. If it's just like 2-3:1, then that's still practically a toss up.

    That said, I think betting odds tend to be kind to AJ as he's a media darling.
     
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  11. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

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    If the odds put Joshua as a big underdog, you just know that his popularity will get people betting on him.
    I think it was Mayweather-McGregor where the late money gave McGregor better odds than Manny has against Floyd.
     
  12. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    save your money.
    if fury loses you'll need it for rehab.
     
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  13. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Why haven`t they signed this fight yet?
     
  14. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Mayweather-McGregor was an interesting one. The initial odds that the bookies gave for PBF to win were 1/12 and McGregor to win 8/1 but McGregor fans bought into the trash talk and the hype that their man, an mma striker, could defeat one of the greatest light middleweights of all time, albeit past his best. The odds on McGregor gradually shortened to 4/1 and the odds on Mayweather lengthened to 2/9 going into the fight. The bookies starting odds far more accurately represented reality but hype and the desire for an upset in Floyd's 50th pro fight skewed the odds to such a degree that there was a reasonable return for betting on his inevitable victory.

    It's a shame the Pacquiao fight seems to have gone up in smoke. McGregor wouldn't have got the same hype this time but betting on his defeat still would have been easy money.
     
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  15. Olu G. Rotimi

    Olu G. Rotimi The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    What are the odds on AJ knocking out Tyson Fury because thats what is going to happen.