Can someone explain what the Frazier–Ali teams were and links that were recorded on the internet?

um what?

 

But why the poll about Ali-Norton....

 

Bizarro World lives

 

um oh....ok. For the record, I thought your thread asked who won the majority of the fights between Ali-Norton NOT all 3 which is why I answered the way I did.

 

You keep asking about the Muhammad Ali boxing Club. I answered you when you posted under another username.

From that thread, there was an actual boxing club called the Muhammad Ali Boxing club. It wasn't started by Ali. Ali didn't train them. They didn't have to box like Muhammad Ali. Harold Smith - a guy who embezzled $20 million from a bank - formed Muhammad Ali Professional Sports (MAPS). Ali's involvement was Smith gave Ali money to use his name. And, occasionally, Ali would show up to an event.

There was an amateur boxing club. There was a track team. A gym. And there were some professional boxers - like Scott Ledoux, Michael Spinks, Tommy Hearns, Gerry Cooney - who allowed Smith to promote them for a couple fights.

Smith founded it in the org in 1979. By 1981, it was over. Smith was arrested for stealing $21 million and went to prison. Ali's rep was badly damaged.

Tony Tucker was also a member of the Muhammad Ali Boxing Club. He fought as a light heavyweight. So did Jeff Stoudemire and Donald Bowers, who were light middleweights. Tony Tubbs, as mentioned previously. Curtis Jackson, who was also a heavyweight. Charles "Casanova" Carter was a middleweight.Chuck Robinson, who died in the plane crash in 1980 that killed many members of the U.S. amateur boxing team en route to a tournament in Poland, was also a member of the Muhammad Ali Boxing Club.

(If you weren't aware of it, in early 1980, the U.S. Olympic boxing coaches and a team of boxers were traveling to Poland for a Dual Meet with the Polish national team when the plane crashed and all the people on the U.S. plane died.)

https://abcnews.go.com/Archives/video/march-14-1980-boxers-die-plane-crash-13132329

Actually, the entire Muhammad Ali team - including Tubbs and Tucker and their coach Jimmy Ellis - were invited to go to Poland but declined because the team had just returned from East Germany. The only team member who went was Robinson.

The team sort of came apart when Harold Smith (Ross Fields) was arrested and charged with robbing the Wells Fargo Bank of $20+ million. Smith financed the team and paid Ali to let them use his name. Smith also got most of the fighters hooked on coke and was paying them thousands of dollars, even though they were amateurs.

Joe Frazier also had an amateur boxing club which trained out of his gym in Philadelphia.

On the Frazier team were Marvis Frazier, James Shuler, Shuler's brother Marvin, Meldrick Taylor's brother Myron, Roland Cooley, Marvin Richardson, Vaughn Hooks and Lonnie Young (Young died in the plane crash).

The Tony Tubbs-Marvis Frazier fight you posted was an amateur boxing event that was televised. Back then, boxing was really hot. And amateur tournaments were routinely televised on national television. That was more of a made-for-TV event. Networks would usually show Dual Meets which involved the USA fighting boxers from another country (USA vs Cuba, USA vs Poland). The network used Ali and Frazier's name to hype a Dual Meet between Ali's boxing team and Frazier's.

At the time, Marvis Frazier was the #1 Amateur heavyweight in the United States. The only loss in his amateur career had come against Tubbs. So it was a rematch on national TV, which Marvis won.

(Marvis ended his amateur career with a record of 56-2. His second and final loss came in his last amateur fight against James Broad in the 1980 Olympic trials. He would beat Broad as a pro, though.)

Here is a NY Time article covering the link to the fight you posted:

ATLANTIC CITY, May 18 — There has been no generation gap in Joe Frazier's family. Certainly, genes from the former heavyweight champion have been passed on to Marvis, his 18‐yearold son. the eldest of his five children.

Frazier & Son were playing Resorts International Hotel tonight. Father had a couple of singing performances in the hotel lounge. Son, the top‐ranked amateur heavyweight in the country, was having his most important fight. Naturally, there was a connection to Muhammad Ali.

Reviving memories of the classic Frazier‐Ali battles, Marvis won a three‐round decision from Tony Tubbs to give Joe Frazier's amateur team 6‐5 victory over Ali's team. Tubbs, 21year‐old national Amateur Athletic Union champion who sparred with Ali before the champion's successful rematch with Leon Spinks, represented All in more than team name. He had much of his master's ring style — the quick hands, the courage to fight back when hurt and even a tendency to be overweight.

Marvis, now undefeated in 31 fights and the national Golden Gloves champion, resembles his father beyond facial and vocal similarities. But at 6 feet 2 inches he is supposed to be the boxer Joe Frazier was not. Tonight, though, he reacted as his father had when hit, relentlessly moving forward, blasting left hooks. But the hooks were much shorter than his father's, thrown almost from the elbow rather than the shoulder.

“Keep everything short and to the point,” Frazier told him.

But in the third Tubbs showed he was worthy of the name Muhammad All on his shirt. After taking more left hooks, he finished strong and thought he had won. Few agreed. However, he and young Frazier will probably meet again next week in the trials for the Pan‐American Games. Tonight could have been the beginning of a secondgeneration rivalry.

While Tubbs does not look like Ali, Frazier, who is 35, said that he and Marvis have sometimes been mistaken for brothers or each other.

“He's better than me when I was an amateur,” said Joe. “He's got a right hand. I never had a right. His left hook came natural, but his right was more natural.”

Fighting Frazier was “next to death,” said Ali, who should know. Frazier liked to fight, or “boogie,” as he called it. He didn't encourage his son to be a fighter, but when Marvis convinced him that was what he wanted to do, his father couldn't have been happier than if he had landed a left hook to Ali's jaw.

After Ali, looking much older than his former rival, had left ringside, Marvis landed a short left hook in the second round and had Tubbs in trouble. He had him in trouble also in the opening round, after landing a straight right to the head. Joe Frazier never had a right hand.

“I love it,” said Marvis, who as a ninth‐grade running back was good enough to attract football scouts from Duke and Temple. He was also rated a prospect in baseball, basketball and wrestling. “I love the contact and I love the thinking,” he went on. “It's constant. You can rest your mind in other sports, but in boxing you've got to be thinking all the time. It's like chess.”

Marvis has been boxing only three years. He has been fighting much longer. His first opponent was probably his toughest.

“We used to go to the cellar, the Zoo, he called it, to settle our differences,” said Joe. “He insisted he'd beat on me. I'd say, let's go. I'd pound him. He was 9, 10 years old. Now I hear stories he was 5, 6.”

Tough to Be Traziees Kid’

There were other fights. Marvis didn't win many. “I used to get beaten up all the time,” he said. “Guys would come up to me and say: ‘Hey, you Frazier's kid? Let's see how tough you are.’ They used to take my lunch money at school. I used to be afraid to say he was my father.”

Said Frazier: “I enjoy watching him do what he wants to do. I don't get hyper watching him. I don't have no fear he'll be hurt. I just take pride. Like I take pride in my other kids.”

Jacqueline Frazier, 17, recently earned a basketball scholarship to American University. She is also a singer and songwriter.

“Just like Marvis is a better boxer than me,” said Frazier, “she's going to be better than me as far as music is concerned. If you can't produce something better than you, what's the point of producing it?”

When it was clear that Marvis truly, wanted to be a ‘fighter, Frazier told his wife, Florence, “Honey, get ready to cry again.”

“My mother always says, ‘The husband's one thing, but the baby's another,” said Marvis. “But she's a little more confident now because I haven't been beaten.”

Frazier is Marvis's adviser. “I know how to cut him down ‘cause when he works and gets tired, he thinks he's not in shape and wants to work some more,” Frazier said. “I've been through that. But you can't bum all your gas in the tank and put none back in. You got to have rest.

“I can help him in life in general. spent money I didn't need to spend. bought things I didn't need to buy. I can help him a lot there. Like, why have eight, nine or 10 cars when you can't drive but one? You learn these things. told him all he needs are two cars, a fast one and a slow one.”

Marvis and Tubbs are the main contenders to represent the United States in the Pan‐American Games in July and at the Moscow Olympics next year. The Olympics are Marvis's main goal. Joe won the 1964 heavyweight gold medal and Marvis wants to make the Fraziers the first father‐son combination to win Olympic titles.

He will start attending junior college next fall, studying business management. He said he didn't think about turning professional.

But Frazier said he could tell that his son liked boxing enough to become pro. One thing is sure, he said: He'll never let Marvis fight Ali.

 

Basically, it would be like if Tyson Fury had a gym in Ireland somewhere, and Anthony Joshua had a gym in London. And they invited a bunch of amateur boxers to train there. And Fury and Joshua sponsored their team (paid for their flights, paid for hotels) and the amateur team of boxers traveled to Dual Meets to fight other boxing clubs.

And, one day, some TV network in the UK decided to air a tournament between the Fury Boxing Club and Joshua Boxing Club. And there were maybe 11 matches from flyweight to heavyweight. And whoever's team won the most matches won.

That's what you're basically watching in that Tubbs-Frazier clip.

The difference was the Muhammad Ali Boxing Club wasn't sponsored by Ali. Harold Smith, who robbed the Wells Fargo bank, had a lot of money to spend so he sponsored it and paid Ali to use his name so he could call it the Muhammad Ali Boxing Club.

 

Well, you type "Boxing DVDs for sale" in a browser and a thousand sites pop up. I'm not a seller. But just about everyone who posts boxing videos on youtube also has a site where they sell videos. The guy who posts sweetfighters videos on youtube has a sweetfights.com site. They aren't difficult to find. Just look. Everything isn't free.