Deontay Wilder v Ali`s top 15 opponents how would he fare?

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  1. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Your reply is an example of the grudging respect I was referring to. (LOL)
     
  2. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I've no idea why people think Wilder would beat Quarry, hes all wrong for Wilder. Despite his chin issues I'd give Norton at least a 50% chance of winning also.
     
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  3. Dubblechin

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    Not to be cruel, but how in the hell is a six foot tall, 200 pound, face-first fighter who took so many shots to the head he didn't even know who he was by the time he was in his 40s "all wrong" for Wilder?

    Quarry would've been the smallest, lightest heavyweight Wilder ever fought as a pro. People Quarry's size lasted seconds with Wilder. Not rounds.

    Yeah, Quarry was "all wrong" for him. (LOL) That would've been a human sacrifice, for God's sake. Quarry wouldn't have lived to 53 after taking those head shots. Quarry's lucky they weren't in the same era.
     
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  4. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Because hes a tough guy and he actually knows how to box
     
  5. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Szpilika would be lunch meat in the Ali's era. While Wilder would fare better than Szpilika, assuming he faced the exact versions of the fighters Ali faced:

    He loses to Liston, Foreman, Holmes, Frazier, Lyle, Shavers, Quarry, and Young.

    I think he's 50/50 with Norton, Williams, Chuvalo And Patterson.

    He beats the rest.
     
  6. Unforgiven

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    Bugner beats him too.
     
  7. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bugner couldn't beat Marvis Frazier.
     
  8. Dubblechin

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    Wilder beats them all except for George and Larry. And since Larry was nearly wasted by a Renaldo Snipes right hand, he'd be in danger the whole time. So that's no gimme for Holmes.
     
  9. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's quite possible you may have overstated Wilder's ability by focusing too much on his punching power and forgetting that there are fighters that can make it irrelevant.
     
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  10. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And all the while ignoring Wilders major flaws in his technique.
     
  11. Tankatron

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    The best performance in Wilders career in my honest opinion was him out boxing Stiverne in what was for him, a punch perfect performance. Stiverne however, compared to Ali's top 15 opponents is like sun bleached dog shyte.

    The likes of Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Norton, Liston, Patterson, Shavers etc. would have brutalised Stiverne and with a few exceptions like Shavers, had such vastly superior ring IQ's, I actually see Wilder faring quite badly against some of them.

    Wilders main problem is he starts off more often than not, slow and tentative whereas Frazier, Foreman and Liston were killers. A prime Holmes would box circles around Wilder and be just too durable. Norton's chin would be a worry but, Norton was a specimen and a courageous fighter who could get to Wilder every bit as easily as Wilder could get to him.
     
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  12. Pepsi Dioxide

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    Its hard to say because Wilder's best opposition at 35 years old has been Fury, Ortiz, 1st Stiverne fight maybe.....ummm, it starts falling off significantly from there.


    A lot of these guys Ali fought are top calibre/HOF material. Besided probably Fury, whos going into the hall of Fame or will be remembered fondly in 30 years that Wilder has fought? Ortiz maybe? This isnt me trying to have a dig at Wilder but his resume is pretty pedestrian.
     
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  13. Tankatron

    Tankatron Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The thing that annoys me about Wilder is the fact that, against Stiverne, he showed genuinely decent boxing fundamentals and was quite literally punch perfect and finally looked like the real deal. After that fight he seemed to just fall in love with his power and own hype and boxed lazilly relying on his get out of jail free card.

    He's regressed if anything and showed himself to be an arrogant, delusional narcissist. He's financially done incredibly well for himself and likely overachieved, massively but, given his unbalanced persona, his wealth and success likely won't last.
     
  14. Dubblechin

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    You mean fighters like a six-foot, 200 pounder who lost to everyone and took so many shots to the head he didn't know what his name was when he was in his 40s?

    That guy? Yeah, I don't think that guy beats Wilder.

    Or did you mean Young, who fought for 21 years and was only good for three and was pretty mediocre to downright bad for the other 18 years? I don't think he beats Wilder.

    You mean Ron Lyle, who couldn't go two rounds with Lynn Ball or Gerry Cooney? Who got knocked out by that murderous punching Ali? I don't think he beats Wilder.

    Norton, who, when he was Wilder's age, was getting beaten unconsciousness by Scott Ledoux? No, not him, either.

    Larry and George, and that's about it. Although, Larry needs to watch out for the right hand. Because he was a sucker for one. And Wilder has a doozy.
     
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  15. mark ant

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    Norton and Quarry were too easy to hit, no way could Norton come forwards without being caught and he couldn`t have won backing up.