Calzaghe fans! Be honest, would Joe have won if he'd been fighting 2001-2005 B-Hop??

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  1. El Borracho

    El Borracho Boxing Addict Full Member

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  2. Bomber

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    Calzaghe really does bring bitterness out in people. Its only Boxing. Im sure Hopkins will get over it.
     
  3. klion22

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    I had it 6-6 which gives Hopkins the nod 114-113. And Hopkins has the type of style where if you watch his fight only once live, it doesn't seem like he's doing much. The other guy is always busier and throwing more. So you naturally favor the busier guy. But watch his fights a few times closely and you will see that his opponents almost never land anything flush and he gets in his sneak right hands regularly. He controls the pace and exhibits ring generalship.
     
  4. El Borracho

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    That's 1/3, effective aggression and defense go to Calzaghe
     
  5. JonOli

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    OK I'm going to go with the Calzaghe fans line who always state Joe once had much greater power, would sit on his punches and throw them straight. Joe recently beat Hopkins by throwing a huge volume of slaps. By throwing the slaps, he achieved a high punch output that won him the fight. He doesn't win that last fight if he punches properly in lower volumes.

    Personally I accept that Joe may be just a little off his prime, but I think he's not too far off. He's a boxer who's very much improved with age. He was beating Kessler convincingly just nine months ago, his greatest win. If thats a crap Calzaghe Kessler's was fighting it doesn't say much for Kessler as a boxer.

    If Joe was 43 like Hopkins, I'd take into account the fact that Joe is off his best, he's not though; hes an educated boxer, whos skills have improved with age, and is his mid 30s (an age of physical prime).


    It's impossible to say who beats who but considering that Joe has avoided every p4p prime fighter available, personally I'd say Joe knows his limitations more so then his fans. Why avoid these big p4p prime fights if he wins them so easily? Makes you think doesn't it...
     
  6. Bomber

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    After the fourth round I didnt see enough from Hopkins to indicate at anytime that he was in the running for a round. Like a game of football where one team cant seem to gain much possession let alone use it.
     
  7. klion22

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    More like ineffective aggression. And defense? Come on. Isn't part of not getting hit with anything flush part of good defense?
     
  8. TFFP

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    What big p4p fights? :lol:

    Hopkins - you mean like when he offered him the fight 5 years ago and Mary ran a mile?

    Toney when he was feasting on Burger Kings regularly and was at cruiser?

    The only fight he could have taken is Roy Jones. He made no real effort to, but Jones himself admitted he would probably have not taken the fight, due to 'having a belt to protect' in his own words.
     
  9. Samurai

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    Tito and Tarver, yes..he gave them a boxing lesson. Wright-Hopkins was a close fight
     
  10. klion22

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    Hell no it wasn't. It was a boxing lesson. All Winky did was throw feather punches. Hopkins landed the MUCH, MUCH, MUCH harder shots. He controlled the pace and tempo and made Winky fight his fight. If you put ANY emphasis on how hard the shots are that land, Winky did nothing. The official scores were 117-111x2 and 116-112. Heck, even Ledermen, who was SO biased against Hopkins and tried his best to give the fight to Winky had it a draw.
     
  11. JonOli

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    I'm not ranking him along side that lot, but you can now add Pavlik to that list. Pavlik is a prime p4p top ten guy. Wheres Joe again.......... more excuses
     
  12. klion22

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    About 7-10 years ago, European boxing wasn't nearly as prominent as it is right now. Did you really expect Hopkins to come over to Europe to fight Calzaghe? Yeah right. You had to come to the "Mecca" of boxing to make a name. Calzaghe had to come here. He didn't.
     
  13. TFFP

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    There ain't a ****ing list there, because none of them were feasible for the reasons I just explained

    So its pretty much Pavlik alone, if you really consider that a ducking rather than for money.
     
  14. klion22

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    Are you like purposely trying to sound stupid?
     
  15. TFFP

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    Frank Warren offered him serious money for the fight, and he agreed. He went back on his word, and demanded more money.

    He tried to make it happen, that is all there is to it.