in the history of boxing has there ever been a boxer broken down by another boxer mentally

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Actually, I'd say the opposite if anything. I don't know any fighter that has bounced back as well from two such crushing defeats.

    He went on to beat Machen and Chuvalo to put himself as nr 1 contender. Then he was absolutely outclassed and humiliated by Ali, but bounced back with good performances against Quarry and Ellis. He was horribly unlucky with judges in those three fights and should probably won the title for a third time, but came back even from that disappointment to beat Bonavena at 37 and restored his pride with a good go at Ali in his last fight.

    The man had fantastic mental strength.

    Foreman is the one we're looking for here. He was mentally broken by Ali and took over a decade to recover. On the other hand, when he did he was mentally stronger than before.
     
  2. LondonRingRules

    LondonRingRules Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    George foreman was pretty mentally broken from the Ali fight.
     
  3. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot etreuM aL Full Member

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    Froch vs Groves 2
     
  4. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Correct.
     
  5. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    "Aj perferred not to drop a belt"

    Whether all the belts were on the table or not (it was still unclear then) the Fury fight was vastly bigger money-wise than any prospective Usyk fight. I suspect AJ wanted Usyk because having seen the Wilder and Chisora fights, he thought (rightly or wrongly) that Usyk was a much softer touch than Fury, especially as Usyk is older, far less well known, less marketable, Eastern European and would thus struggle mightily to win a decision in Britain, particularly against a cash cow like AJ. He was almost robbed of a win in a fight he dominated against Chisora ffs.

    Miniq: AJ after he beats Wlad - Confident and calls out obese Fury
    AJ after Fury is active again - Can't even say his name "Ask my promoter :'("

    "Fury is a different era"
    "Fury should retire soon"
    "Fury has more experience than me" (although they have equal ring time)

    Fury is a lot smarter than AJ and is known for his mind games. Mentioning inactivity half a dozen times is no accident; if he was really concerned about it he wouldn't talk about it. Likewise, posting a video of himself jumping into the sea looking podgy is calculated. Teddy Atlas said Fury appeared to be "mentally lost" before the Wilder rematch lmao. Many also took Fury's sparring session with Pianeta at face value. The fact that Fury has a reputation for this benefits him doubly as his opponents are always liable to second guess themselves. Fury will do more to hurt AJ mentally in the lead up to the fight but he's in AJ's head regardless. The prospect of facing Fury is intimidating for AJ in itself, especially as he lacks confidence and feels vulnerable in a way Fury doesn't. Suffering the most humiliating defeat of all time is a big part of it and he knows that Fury is levels above Andy Ruiz. Fear is not purely derived from a Tyson-esque persona or a formidable KO record: [url]https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/fury-needs-to-recreate-tysons-spinks-ringwalk.662034/page-5#post-20925356[/url]

    With AJ-Klitschko I was pointing out the irony of AJ saying that Fury is from "a different era" from himself and that Fury "should be looking to retire soon" when he had no problem fighting a man 14 years his senior, inactive and coming off a defeat 18 months ago. There's a guy actually from a different era who should have been looking to retire. Wlad's power punches may be much more powerful than Fury's but is his jab more powerful? After all, Pulev hurt Wlad with a jab but is useless with the overhand right or hooks. Fury's also spent much of his career fighting on the backfoot and you won't generate much power with that style. Wilder claimed that Fury had "pillows for fists" and then got splattered all over the canvas and concussed, something most thought wouldn't happen because "Fury can't punch hard". Fury's power is underrated and AJ doesn't have the best heart, stamina, chin or great confidence in his chin. AJ had to take the Ruiz rematch to partially redeem himself and the pressure was immense but he fought in a manner that didn't suggest much confidence.
     
  6. bigtime-skills

    bigtime-skills Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Great Post and Great responses:
    It might be Low key, but I think Andre Ward did a MASSIVE mental job on Sergei Kovalev particularly the 2nd Fight...
    When Ward and his Trainer harped on his DRINKING and lack of fitness, basically saying YOU'RE NO KILLER I think he had Sergei totally out of it
     
  7. Joe.Boxer

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    Barney McGinley, after twice being bet like an arse by Paddy 'Jaws' Ward.

    The delusional Barney actually believes he regained his imaginary title of "King of the Travellers" despite quitting mid-fight.
     
  8. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes Aj perferred not to vacate his belt because he wanted the Fury fight to be undisputed. All it takes is research. Usyk was a mandatory and Joshua would have had to drop the belt if he wanted to avoid Usyk and fight Fury. But now thats been delt with as the WBO has called for Usyk vs Joyce to allow Aj and Fury to fight for undisputed. Its not that hard to understand


    Fury has mentioned inactivity 3 different times.

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    And especially in the 3rd interview he talks about it multiple different times and in depth and mentions its a disadvantage going into the AJ fight. He also compared himself to saunders and said saunders needs a tune up. Sounds more like Fury is worried wheras Aj has sent the contract for a two fight deal with Fury over a month ago and the only reason its been taking so long is because Fury's team asked for tweaks to the contract itself. And who cares what teddy atlas thinks ?

    Lol are you trying to suggest Fury can intimidate Aj like Mike Tyson did his opponents ? Stupid thread. :risas3: Mike Tyson was a monster and had prolific punching power and put quick clean combos together. Fury himself claims he struggles to turn his puncher over. Stop it

    Joshua is far more dangerous than Fury at mid range and close range. I would love to see Fury fight Aj aggressively. The fight would last 1 round. Aj is better on the front foot and is a more power, more natural counter puncher. He is NOT Deontay Wilder. And unlike Fury Joshua has prolific power. In addition to that Ruiz is significantly faster than Fury in terms of combination punching and can throw tighter hooks. Fury attempting to fight Joshua the way he fought Wilder is suicidal. Fury himself knows this and will likely frustrate Aj at range
     
  9. NEETzschean

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    It was not known at that point whether AJ would even have to vacate the belt to fight Fury. When asked who do you want next, AJ didn't say "I want the undisputed fight with Tyson Fury", he sat on the fence. When he was asked whether he was the best heavyweight on the planet, he said "I'm the best version of myself" lmao. Whatever little confidence AJ has now will be gone by the time the fight comes round.

    Only 3 different times? Fewer than I thought then. These are, as miniq described them, planted trivialities. Fury doesn't just fool the public, he fools his opponent's and "experts" like Atlas (not to mention most of the "hardcore boxing fans").

    Mike Tyson didn't do a good job intimidating the journeymen and fringe contenders who towered over him. Most boxing fans have a very simplistic view of fear and pressure, much more goes into it than a brutal KO record or a thuggish persona. As Lennox Lewis said of Mike Tyson "How are you going to intimidate me? You're 5'5 and I'm 6'5". One of the reasons there was so much pressure on AJ in the Ruiz rematch was because Ruiz was an underdog in every respect who had battered him. Someone like Oliver McCall would have been less intimidating in the rematch purely because he looked the part. "Hey Anthony, how the f*ck did you get knocked out by that fat Mexican?"

    AJ is not in the same league as a fit and motivated Tyson Fury. AJ is a shorter, less rangy, less explosive, less confident version of Wilder with an inferior heart, gas tank and chin. Fury will no doubt train hard for it but it will turn out to be an easy night's work.
     
  10. caligula4

    caligula4 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    AJ when he tretten Tyan Booth's life
     
  11. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "Whoever has the belt, i would love to compete with them, if that is Tyson Fury, let it be Tyson Fury" he clearly mentioned Fury. Also it was confirmed that Usyk was a mandatory. The WBO ordered Joshua to defend against Usyk if he wanted to keep his belt. But Hearn threatened to drop all of the belts to make a fight with Fury. This obviously worried the sanctioning bodies because Joshua pays them fees to hold on to his belts so after that the WBO ordered Usyk and Joyce to fight for a spot for mandatory to the WBO belt Aj has. And thus paved the way for Aj and Fury to fight for undisputed. Aj and Fury both want the fight. All you have to do is research.

    He mentioned it 3 entirely different times but in the interviews he mentioned it a MULTITUDE of times. Thats why i said 3. Fury can play mind games but in what way are they going to affect Aj ? Aj himself has mentioned he is training for the best verion of Fury
    [url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-9273457/amp/Anthony-Joshua-admits-Tyson-Fury-looks-overweight-preparing-fight-best-version-him.html[/url]

    Mike Tysons aura in general was extremely intimidating. You keep mentioning miniq. You might just be him. Or you're just an idiot. Not much of a difference. Lennox Lewis is an exception because it LENNOX LEWIS. He wasn't scared to fight anybody.

    Joshua is inferior to Wilder ? All Wilder has is a powerful right hand but when you take that away he's nothing. Aj can do more. He can move laterally, he can box on the back foot, he can throw crisp clean combinations, he can move in and out of range better, he has better balance, he has a hell of a lot better coordination, he can switch up his style, he can throw more accurate left hooks, hes better with the uppercut, he's better at mid-range, he's better at close range, he took powerful shots from Klitschko, the same Klitschko that knocked Wilder the hell out in sparring. He also took Whytes infamous left hook plum on the chin and was still solid enough to defend himself and recover fairly quickly. The same left hook that blasted out Chisora and Browne, and put Parker on the canvas.

    Fury would be wise to box at range. Fury is so overrated after the Wilder win to the point where i sometimes feel @Tyistall's pain. Fury isn't some invincible Gypsy god you people make him out to be. And Aj is getting underrated despite possessing the best resume. This fight is closer then you think
     
  12. Pepsi Dioxide

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    No doubt he came back very strong and had some good performances post Liston.

    I was specifically thinking of how he would go out in public in disguise because of the shame he felt following those defeats in the immediate aftermath of Liston.
     
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  13. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, it was his way of coping, I suppose. But whatever works...
     
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    Jerry Lewis vs Marciano...
     
  15. NEETzschean

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    If you want to ignore all of the instances where AJ has shown psychological weakness in regard to Fury that's up to you. AJ's still going to be bricking it regardless. I'm sure AJ is training for the best Tyson Fury but he's not naturally as mentally strong and his confidence has been shaken badly by Ruiz. If Fury, as an underdog, can psychologically destabilise a dominant champion like Wlad at home and a delusionally confident Wilder at home (coming of a 30 month coke binge) he's not going to have a problem with AJ; a recently beaten champion who's riddled with self-doubt.

    A lot of Tyson's early opponents were intimidated by him but whenever he faced a man substantially bigger than himself, he tended to go 10 or 12 rounds (in his prime) and this was against journeymen and fringe contenders. Lewis was gunshy for several fights after the McCall loss, it took a while to get his confidence back. But AJ's loss was much more devastating than Lewis' in numerous ways (sustained beating, multiple knockdowns, qutting, endlessly repeated on the internet, social media trolling, short obese Mexican underdog) and Lewis was able to fight weaker opposition for his recovery bouts; it's not like he was thrown in with someone like Vitali in his 3rd fight back.

    After Fury has wiped the floor with him, AJ should fight Wilder (if he hasn't retired by then). At least that would be a competitive fight.