I dont need to post photos, i know that Canelo is slippery and has an iron chin, if he didnt he would be KO'D like the other GGG victims. Adylide you will never justify your crime.
Yildirim performed a lot better vs Dirrell than he did vs Canelo. Sort of like Dominic Wade, when he fought GGG he gave a bad performance didn't even put up a fight. Many were hyping Dominic Wade before he fought GGG, but then he disappointed on the night similar to Yildirim vs Canelo. How good of a fighter is Dominic Wade, is he better than he showed that night vs GGG? What if the Yildirim who fought Dirrell showed up vs Canelo? Who are you to tell anyone what someone can and can't say? This is the problem with GGG fanboys, they think they have the authority to dictate who you can say won and who you can't. Most ringside observers have no authority to tell me or anyone else how to score a match, or to silence any differing opinions to who the people on TV think won. The sports media have all kinds of agendas that go into their scoring, they cannot be trusted when it comes to establishing who won boxing matches. That's what official judges and public opinion are for. The sports media are much more affected by a group think and hive mind mentality than individuals outside of the sports media who by and large are far more objective. I can tell you one thing - Sugar Ray Leonard made it crystal clear that Canelo won the first GGG match. Clearly, emphatically and without any doubt. He knows what he saw. Canelo clearly beat him in both matches, and very clearly schooled him in the early rounds of the first match. GGG eventually ended the schooling and made it competitive by the middle rounds, but early on Canelo was absolutely schooling him and if you can't see that YDKSAB. I'm saying it right now - Canelo outboxed him in the first match, won more rounds. (1-4, 10-12 for starters) GGG got a gift decision for effort and because he was so overhyped. The 2nd time Canelo beat him up coming forward, and administered heavy damage on GGG with a steady stream of power punching. Both matches were close and competitive, GGG hung in there, but Canelo won both matches pretty clearly if you understand the sweet science and how to judge rounds, not by counting punches but by clean effective punching, ring generalship, etc. That doesn't mean you can't argue that GGG won, but don't tell me I or anyone else can't argue Canelo won. Peer pressuring and trying to silence people who disagree with you won't work when it comes to the objective scoring of a boxing match. Your argument that GGG is better because he "arguably" beat him twice is your personal argument and a self fulfilling prophecy. Canelo has more 14 more wins than GGG, has fought far better competition than GGG throughout his career, and most importantly, beat him. Case closed, Canelo checks all the boxes in a comparison with GGG at this point, therefore he's better. Your contrary opinion that GGG is still somehow better despite losing to him, having many less wins, and fighting far inferior competition throughout his career is an uphill battle, and given these facts, you are in no position to speak down to anyone who has the facts on their side in such a comparison.
"GGG won, you can't say Canelo won" "Canelo won" "You're having a meltdown" "I'm saying Canelo won" "You can't say that waaaaaa"
Actually Shadow is very articulate in his debates. He actually debates while many including you are more interested in name calling, and pushing your narrative without anything to back it up. The few times I have seen you make an effort to put a real rebuttal you twist things people said and things that happened to suit your narrative. One of several examples is when you say that Ward never intended on fighting Golovkin because he said in 2017 that he would not move down to 168 again, when YOU KNOW WELL that in 2015 he sent GGG the offer for a fight in 2016, not 2017. Also you and several GGG fanatics say that there is no way that Canelo beat Golovkin because 80% of the press said he won, yet when we mention how most boxing professionals had Canelo the winner you guys ignore that stat. Another difference between the GGGoon and the Canelo fan is that Canelo fans can see how someone could score the fight for Golovkin, because we know that most fans do not know how to score fights, but the GGGoon acts like there is no justifiable way to score the fight for Canelo even though the 10 pt. must scoring system shows us that Canelo beat GGG in Defense, Clean punching, Ring generalship, and Effective aggression in most of the rounds. We know this because Canelo landed at a higher percentage, and because Canelo made Golovkin miss at a higher percentage. We also know Canelo landed the harder punches to the head and body. The only thing most GGGoons use to justify a win is that Golovkin landed an average of three more jabs per round.
I doff my hat to the amount of cliches injected here...whatever happened to the power of original thought...
GGG already refused the third fight. GB approached team GGG last year for a fight when the sport resumes but his trainer said hell no they'd rather face Szeremeta and any TBA instead of trying to avenge his loss to Canelo. "No, they called me about it, and I said no," Golovkin's head trainer Johnathon Banks told IFL TV. "The plan was for him to get this fight [versus Poland's Kamil Szeremeta, Golovkin's mandatory challenger] and get another fight, and then fight Canelo."
The intimidation tactics that GGG fanboys use around here doesn't work on somebody like me who knows how to use their aggression against them and effectively counter anything they try to throw at me. I mean you look at BCS8 for example, I've just been having a field day with that guy. He's thrown everything but the kitchen sink at me, maybe even the kitchen sink too and I just keep slipping punches making him miss wildly, and it creates openings for sweat-flying, neck-twisting counters that have this guy taking major damage and is now well behind on the cards. My advice to any GGG fans who genuinely believe GGG won - Just be mindful that you don't have a monopoly on your view of the match, or you'll end up like BCS8. If you are fair and respectful to me, I'll be fair and respectful to you, even if you disagree strongly. And like you said, IsaL, the difference is that Canelo fans aren't sore winners about what happened, I'm not here to "rub it in" that Canelo won. If you've noticed, I've always been respectful and fair to anyone who has an honest disagreement and sees either match different. I know there are plenty of posters on this site who think GGG won and I respect them 100%. Unfortunately there are always bad apples like BCS8 who make the whole GGG crowd look bad. I've gone to great lengths to throw GGG fans a bone and say look, it was close, you have every right to argue GGG won. But don't tell me what I can and can't say. Don't try to determine what is acceptable scoring and what isn't in a match that big and important, that's not the way to go. If you want to make your case that GGG won, do it by providing sound reasoning instead of throwing temper tantrums and spazzing out over it. It's not a good look. When you're the one going against the official result, the onus is on you to make your case as to why the judges were wrong. That's what boxing forums are here for. To debate, to discuss scoring, but too often it descends into GGG fanboy crying. And I'm mindful to what @m.s. said how since I'm on the winning side here, so I have nothing to complain about. I understand the frustration of feeling like you've been wronged, or the fighter you root for was wronged. I get that, which is why I remain very respectful to those that see it differently, those that see GGG winning. But lets be very clear, Canelo might have gotten the decision in GGG 2, but he didn't get every benefit of the doubt. Getting every benefit of the doubt would have made him declared the victor in the first match with GGG. He won that fight but the judges scored it a draw. I disagreed, but you didn't see me crying about it. I made my case, heard everyone out, and I tried to discuss what happened fairly and honestly, without attacking those that disagreed. But if you want to talk about fighters getting the benefit of the doubt, there's more to getting the benefit of the doubt than judges decisions. Lets be very clear - Canelo never gets the benefit of the doubt on this forum. He's constantly hated on, lied about, dragged through the mud, on practically every possible level around here. Anytime he wins a decision, it's a robbery, any time he performs well they're excuses. Any close round is always scored against him. So don't give me this BS that Canelo gets every benefit of the doubt. It's the complete opposite. He wins vs top fighters, but much of this forum never gives him any credit for it. That's the complete opposite of getting the benefit of the doubt.
At his age just retire. GGG is never going to get a fair shake over Canelo, aka a golden goose. If he wants to to out with a bang, beat Charlo. Doing it near 40, and beating the #1 contender at age 30 who's 31-0 will look really good on his resume. A loss, and who cares he's 39.
Aaaaaaaaand the usual suspects turn a thread of, "who should GGG fight next" into the tiresome "GGG vs Canelo" debate round number "kill-me-please". He's fighting either Munguia or Murata, either one a good fight. I'd prefer Murata, but Munguia would be easier to make. The Charlo fight isn't happening because of cross-promotional bulljivey, and any rumors of PBC totally making an offer to GGG have as much credibility as the rumors of "Wlad ducked Wilder" that have been floating out there. Andrade has refused to fight anyone with a pulse until recently and is so goddamn boring I don't know why anyone would have any desire to see that.
"GGG already refused the third fight." So how many fights have these guys had against each other so far....2 OK "...and then fight Canelo." So "if" they do have another crack at it that wil be fight number?.........3 Oh that can't be correct as you said said :"GGG already refused the third fight." Summat don't add up ???
Covid didn't help either. The 3rd match might already have happened if it wasn't for Covid. Lots of potential big matches have been cancelled or postponed since last March when this whole thing started. Had Covid not happened, in a normal year with Canelo's old DAZN deal, DAZN probably would have insisted on Canelo GGG 3 happening by now. But with fans not able to attend matches due to the pandemic, a 3rd fight without fans just wasn't as viable as it would have been under normal circumstances. And then due to Canelo not fighting because fans couldn't attend matches, they had to re-negotiate the contract. The crazy Covid situation over the last year has had a drastic effect on sports and matchmaking in boxing.
