Who do you think GGG will fight next?

"GGG won, you can't say Canelo won"

"Canelo won"

"You're having a meltdown"

"I'm saying Canelo won"

"You can't say that waaaaaa"

 

You think Canelo beat Mayweather, let's leave it at that

 

I thought it was close, not that Canelo won. ¿Comprende?

 

Actually Shadow is very articulate in his debates.

He actually debates while many including you are more interested in name calling, and pushing your narrative without anything to back it up.

The few times I have seen you make an effort to put a real rebuttal you twist things people said and things that happened to suit your narrative.

One of several examples is when you say that Ward never intended on fighting Golovkin because he said in 2017 that he would not move down to 168 again, when YOU KNOW WELL that in 2015 he sent GGG the offer for a fight in 2016, not 2017.

Also you and several GGG fanatics say that there is no way that Canelo beat Golovkin because 80% of the press said he won, yet when we mention how most boxing professionals had Canelo the winner you guys ignore that stat.

Another difference between the GGGoon and the Canelo fan is that Canelo fans can see how someone could score the fight for Golovkin, because we know that most fans do not know how to score fights, but the GGGoon acts like there is no justifiable way to score the fight for Canelo even though the 10 pt. must scoring system shows us that Canelo beat GGG in Defense, Clean punching, Ring generalship, and Effective aggression in most of the rounds. We know this because Canelo landed at a higher percentage, and because Canelo made Golovkin miss at a higher percentage. We also know Canelo landed the harder punches to the head and body.

The only thing most GGGoons use to justify a win is that Golovkin landed an average of three more jabs per round.

 

I doff my hat to the amount of cliches injected here...whatever happened to the power of original thought...

 

GGG already refused the third fight. GB approached team GGG last year for a fight when the sport resumes but his trainer said hell no they'd rather face Szeremeta and any TBA instead of trying to avenge his loss to Canelo. "No, they called me about it, and I said no," Golovkin's head trainer Johnathon Banks told IFL TV. "The plan was for him to get this fight [versus Poland's Kamil Szeremeta, Golovkin's mandatory challenger] and get another fight, and then fight Canelo."

 

The intimidation tactics that GGG fanboys use around here doesn't work on somebody like me who knows how to use their aggression against them and effectively counter anything they try to throw at me. I mean you look at BCS8 for example, I've just been having a field day with that guy. He's thrown everything but the kitchen sink at me, maybe even the kitchen sink too and I just keep slipping punches making him miss wildly, and it creates openings for sweat-flying, neck-twisting counters that have this guy taking major damage and is now well behind on the cards. My advice to any GGG fans who genuinely believe GGG won - Just be mindful that you don't have a monopoly on your view of the match, or you'll end up like BCS8. If you are fair and respectful to me, I'll be fair and respectful to you, even if you disagree strongly.

And like you said, IsaL, the difference is that Canelo fans aren't sore winners about what happened, I'm not here to "rub it in" that Canelo won. If you've noticed, I've always been respectful and fair to anyone who has an honest disagreement and sees either match different. I know there are plenty of posters on this site who think GGG won and I respect them 100%. Unfortunately there are always bad apples like BCS8 who make the whole GGG crowd look bad. I've gone to great lengths to throw GGG fans a bone and say look, it was close, you have every right to argue GGG won. But don't tell me what I can and can't say. Don't try to determine what is acceptable scoring and what isn't in a match that big and important, that's not the way to go. If you want to make your case that GGG won, do it by providing sound reasoning instead of throwing temper tantrums and spazzing out over it. It's not a good look. When you're the one going against the official result, the onus is on you to make your case as to why the judges were wrong. That's what boxing forums are here for. To debate, to discuss scoring, but too often it descends into GGG fanboy crying.

And I'm mindful to what @m.s. said how since I'm on the winning side here, so I have nothing to complain about. I understand the frustration of feeling like you've been wronged, or the fighter you root for was wronged. I get that, which is why I remain very respectful to those that see it differently, those that see GGG winning. But lets be very clear, Canelo might have gotten the decision in GGG 2, but he didn't get every benefit of the doubt. Getting every benefit of the doubt would have made him declared the victor in the first match with GGG. He won that fight but the judges scored it a draw. I disagreed, but you didn't see me crying about it. I made my case, heard everyone out, and I tried to discuss what happened fairly and honestly, without attacking those that disagreed. But if you want to talk about fighters getting the benefit of the doubt, there's more to getting the benefit of the doubt than judges decisions. Lets be very clear - Canelo never gets the benefit of the doubt on this forum. He's constantly hated on, lied about, dragged through the mud, on practically every possible level around here. Anytime he wins a decision, it's a robbery, any time he performs well they're excuses. Any close round is always scored against him. So don't give me this BS that Canelo gets every benefit of the doubt. It's the complete opposite. He wins vs top fighters, but much of this forum never gives him any credit for it. That's the complete opposite of getting the benefit of the doubt.

 

At his age just retire. GGG is never going to get a fair shake over Canelo, aka a golden goose. If he wants to to out with a bang, beat Charlo.

Doing it near 40, and beating the #1 contender at age 30 who's 31-0 will look really good on his resume. A loss, and who cares he's 39.

 

Aaaaaaaaand the usual suspects turn a thread of, "who should GGG fight next" into the tiresome "GGG vs Canelo" debate round number "kill-me-please".

He's fighting either Munguia or Murata, either one a good fight. I'd prefer Murata, but Munguia would be easier to make. The Charlo fight isn't happening because of cross-promotional bulljivey, and any rumors of PBC totally making an offer to GGG have as much credibility as the rumors of "Wlad ducked Wilder" that have been floating out there. Andrade has refused to fight anyone with a pulse until recently and is so goddamn boring I don't know why anyone would have any desire to see that.

 

"GGG already refused the third fight."
So how many fights have these guys had against each other so far....2
OK
"...and then fight Canelo."
So "if" they do have another crack at it that wil be fight number?.........3
Oh that can't be correct as you said said :"GGG already refused the third fight."
Summat don't add up ???

 

Covid didn't help either. The 3rd match might already have happened if it wasn't for Covid. Lots of potential big matches have been cancelled or postponed since last March when this whole thing started. Had Covid not happened, in a normal year with Canelo's old DAZN deal, DAZN probably would have insisted on Canelo GGG 3 happening by now. But with fans not able to attend matches due to the pandemic, a 3rd fight without fans just wasn't as viable as it would have been under normal circumstances. And then due to Canelo not fighting because fans couldn't attend matches, they had to re-negotiate the contract. The crazy Covid situation over the last year has had a drastic effect on sports and matchmaking in boxing.

 

Really?

Wow i gave Canelo 3 rounds max if I remember right

 

Depends on how you score the close rounds.

 

Okay, as someone who thinks GGG won both fights, and as someone who thinks that 118-110 card is the smoking gun that showed GGG would never get a fair shake against Canelo...really dude? Three rounds? Let's not go full IsaL or 22JM here.

 

Ward sent an offer when GGG had just signed for another fight. And before that when the offer was put to Ward in GGG's promoters office it was Ward that turned it down.

If I want to be charitable I could agree that the stars simply never aligned for that fight.

So Golovkin hit him in the face an extra 36 times? Sounds good to me