Okay, as someone who thinks GGG won both fights, and as someone who thinks that 118-110 card is the smoking gun that showed GGG would never get a fair shake against Canelo...really dude? Three rounds? Let's not go full IsaL or 22JM here.
Ward sent an offer when GGG had just signed for another fight. And before that when the offer was put to Ward in GGG's promoters office it was Ward that turned it down. If I want to be charitable I could agree that the stars simply never aligned for that fight. So Golovkin hit him in the face an extra 36 times? Sounds good to me
Agree. Murata seems a legit threat to Golovkin. Munguia has the power and youth but I didn't like what I saw vs Tureano and I think GGG flatlines him.
Yeah, Murata's a more polished product in my humblest of opinions. He's also one of those guys that, when he has a chance to study his opponents and sees what works and doesn't work, absolutely flatline them. His only real weakness (and it's a big one, admittedly) is that if things don't go his way he doesn't have the ability to 'switch it up'.
Dominic Wade and Yildrim are not great fighters. I didn't say Yildrim was. I said that GGG has fought several fighters far better than Yildrim. That is not to say he has not had his share of cans he has fought, like every fighter does. Obviously you can say what you want, but to say that Canelo schooled GGG cause he won a few rounds is silly. You can just as easily say GGG schooled Canelo in rounds 4-9 of their first fight. Fighters though GGG won the first fight too https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2017/9/...ting-worlds-biggest-stars-ufc-boxing-mcgregor If Canelo is so good why did he struggle with a bum like GGG? I'm not responding to everything you said but you clearly have a deep connection to Canelo and have blinders on when it comes to him. I saw you mention earlier the Floyd fight was competitive when it was not in the least, yet you have the gall to tell people they don't know anything about boxing. I always find it funny that Canelo "won" the second fight coming forward, but fail to acknowledge that GGG chose to fight more on the outside with his jab and gets no credit for that and Canelo gets all the credit for dictating pace, as if the jab is not the ultimate weapon when it comes to dictating the pace of a fight. In your estimation, Julio Cesar Chavez is better than Floyd because he had more wins. Canelo is better than Sugar Ray Leonard cause he has more wins. Your metrics for measuring greatness are so weird. De La Hoya got some favorable decisions and less favorable decisions, yet Canelo always seems to manage one or two just ridiculous score cards. Just appreciate both fighters man, Canelo is not gonna congratulate you or reach out to you for defending him. He is a great fighter, GGG is a great fighter and we are lucky to have got to see them fight.
What impresses me about Murata is his energy. It's like he has an extra battery or something. That could be a real problem for an older fighter like GGG. If Golovkin is unable to hurt him early in order to gain some respect Murata could possibly wear him down in a series of rasping attacks.
GGG said he'd move up to Super Middleweight for the right fight: https://www.ringtv.com/522945-gennady-golovkin-ill-move-super-middleweight-right-fight/ I'd personally like to see GGG vs Plant happen, and the winner fight the winner of Canelo vs BJS.
If he stays at Middleweight, then he could fight the winner of Andrade vs Liam Williams, or Chris Eubank Jr.
It was the way in which he won the early rounds that made it a schooling. Schooling someone is about being the ring general, using footwork to set traps and counter. Also in the 4th round how he taught GGG how to fight off the ropes. He was schooling him in that regard. It took GGG a couple of rounds to land some meaningful punches. In the 5th round he did that, and finally got himself into the fight. The rounds GGG won in the first match, he won with activity, not by putting on a clinic like Canelo was doing early on, it was just that GGG started getting more offense in and started to outwork and outland him which he wasn't doing early on. Now you're putting words into my mouth. When did I say GGG was a bum? If you've been paying attention, I gave GGG plenty of praise and credit for both matches. I scored the rematch 7-5 and thought GGG did better than the first fight, because he came into the rematch with a better plan to use his boxing skill, work behind the jab, rather than not have any plan and just chase Canelo around the ring like he did the first time. That style GGG fought in the rematch, while more effective technically, still wasn't enough to keep Canelo from landing considerably more power punches on him and inflicting more damage. Unlike the first time, Canelo stayed in the pocket, and just loaded up on power punches. GGG while showcasing good footwork and movement, isn't that quick on his feet so he wasn't able to get out of range on Canelo and keep his distance like Canelo was able to do the first time when GGG was the aggressor. The difference is that while GGG relied on the jab in the rematch to keep the more aggressive Canelo off, he wasn't able to use his footspeed to keep Canelo at range, which allowed Canelo to target the body and land power punches with far more regularity than GGG was able to connect on him in the first fight. It also was a very defensive-oriented style and this was after GGG called for a Mexican-Style Toe-to-Toe war. So it didn't suit GGG to fight such a negative fight after criticizing Canelo for fighting in such a way the first time. That's what you're saying, I've not said anything like that. We were comparing Canelo vs GGG, you were arguing that GGG was better because he "arguably" beat Canelo twice. I reminded you that not only has Canelo beat GGG, but he also has more wins and has faced tougher opposition. How you go from there to JCC being better than Floyd or Canelo being better than SRL, I have no idea. You just completely made that up to deflect from the Canelo vs GGG comparison which you brought up. # of wins is only one factor to look at, also winning %, also how many times you've been KO'd. What you deem as a favorable decision is subjective. I've made the point before that you can accuse pretty much any fighter of getting gift decisions. JCC got the draw vs Sweet Pea. Most people think Mayweather lost to Castillo the first time and to Maidana. SRL himself admitted that the rematch with Hearns which was scored a draw, he said Tommy really deserved to win that one. So win-loss aren't the be all end all, but they are certainly a big factor when comparing greats, even if you argue there were some favorable decisions in there. You can make that argument about pretty much any fighter. I do appreciate both fighters and agree both are great fighters and I enjoyed both fights. I don't see it as defending Canelo, I'm just breaking down what happened and pointing out where I disagree with what you're saying. I could make the same argument that you were defending GGG pretty hard there with your views about their first match.
Dude you are constantly saying he didn't beat many world champs, That's what you're saying, I've not said anything like that. We were comparing Canelo vs GGG, you were arguing that GGG was better because he "arguably" beat Canelo twice. I reminded you that not only has Canelo beat GGG, but he also has more wins and has faced tougher opposition. How you go from there to JCC being better than Floyd or Canelo being better than SRL, I have no idea. You just completely made that up to deflect from the Canelo vs GGG comparison which you brought up. # of wins is only one factor to look at, also winning %, also how many times you've been KO'd. What you deem as a favorable decision is subjective. I've made the point before that you can accuse pretty much any fighter of getting gift decisions. JCC got the draw vs Sweet Pea. Most people think Mayweather lost to Castillo the first time and to Maidana. SRL himself admitted that the rematch with Hearns which was scored a draw, he said Tommy really deserved to win that one. So win-loss aren't the be all end all, but they are certainly a big factor when comparing greats, even if you argue there were some favorable decisions in there. You can make that argument about pretty much any fighter. I do appreciate both fighters and agree both are great fighters and I enjoyed both fights. I don't see it as defending Canelo, I'm just breaking down what happened and pointing out where I disagree with what you're saying. I could make the same argument that you were defending GGG pretty hard there with your views about their first match.[/QUOTE] I'd have to go back and watch the fights but Canelo did not utilize, to my knowledge or recollection, elite footwork whatsoever, especially in the first fight. As I recollect, he was constantly fighting on the backfoot and very inactive. At a certain point activity does take rounds (see Loma-Lopez). You jump back and forth between calling him overhyped and exposed to saying he is a solid fighter. Which is it? Was he a good fighter Canelo had a lot of trouble with and (arguably) lost to twice, or is he an overhyped fighter Canelo couldn't clearly beat on two tries? What does having more wins have to do with anything? Many people felt he lost twice, that is a fact. A LOT of people, regardless of how you feel, he won twice and even more think GGG won at least one. The number of wins is irrelevant and I'm really confused as to why you brought that up. As for tougher opposition, that is subjective. Canelo has faced the same difficulty of fighters as GGG. You are jumping all over the place man. Take a seat and relax. Canelo gets beneficial scorecards, it's not his fault but he does.
Fanboys are as common as haters. Just to clear the air, I'd like to know what think of the below. Answers to quick questions. 1 ) Who do you think won GGG vs Canelo 1? 2 ) In your opinion, did Canelo wait for GGG to age a bit and slow down before taking the match at age 35? After all GGG had way more fights if you include the amateurs and was clearly better at say 33? 3 ) The vast majority of the media ( I have about 50 media cards ) and punch stats think GGG won the fight. When a guy lands 40 more punches, out lands the other guy in 10 or 12 rounds, in a fight by with knockdown or points taken he's the winner like 95% of the time. 4 ) Would you say the judge who had it 118-110 was not fit to judge? She determined the draw. 5 ) What factor if any does Canelo on PED's mean in these fights? GGG tested clean Respectfully,
