Do not buy the Whyte fight.

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  1. Journey Man

    Journey Man Journeyman always. Full Member

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    Enjoyed the card last night. I think when the fights were announced, Cheeseman, Mckinson and Webb were all underdogs (and the latter two were underdogs as they got into the ring), so it was nice to see a competitive card where you couldn’t pick a winner in all the fights. I caught up on BTs boxing and it was poor, with only two competitive fights over two nights though the Hutchinson upset was a good one.

    The Cheeseman / Metcalf bout is certainly British fight of the year so far, and will take a lot to top it. A real classic throwback contest akin to Macklin / Moore, with a brilliant but brutal ending. Webbs fight lacked quality but it was an upset and he’ll probably get back in the mix now - the only shame is that it’ll probably lure Allen out of retirement for the rematch (instagram arguing started already.) The Wardley fight was competitive but seemed a very strange ending, but was a decent watch. Mckinson / Kongo was another good watch, a really close fight which was interesting with it’s ebbs and flows. Campbell Hatton’s debut was so/so, he looked half decent but really if he wasn’t what he was that standard of debut happens every week on small hall shows up and down the country. The main event wasn’t great and was pretty much as expected.

    All in all a good night of boxing which I enjoyed with a few drops of whisky (not on beer at the moment cause I’m on a diet) and couldn’t really complain. I’d largely expected the main event to go the way it did but it would have been nice to have been a closer fight.
     
  2. Unforgiven

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    Although I never did put a price on what Whyte and Povetkin ought to be paid for their rematch, on reflection I see no justification whatsoever for saying that they a worth more than £100,000 each for that.
    The counter argument is apparently : "but, but, AJ gets 20 million".
    Yeah, but the low level journeymen get about a grand or two if they are lucky.

    Whyte turned down £6 million or more to face AJ, which is a lot of money. If he beat AJ, he would have guranteed himself at least 3 or 4 times that with a rematch, plus endorsements.

    But, of course :
    1. Whyte cannot beat AJ
    2. Whyte can make millions fighting has-beens and fringe contenders on SKY PPV (win, lose or draw) and pretending he's dying for a shot at the world titles.

    It's a scam.
     
  3. Little brian

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    Fully agree pal. Thoroughly enjoyable night for just £19.99. Of course id prefer it included in my sky sports subscription but such is life
     
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  4. bbjc

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    Its not worse at all. All week i,ve watched press conference, weigh in shows. Ex boxers talking about the fight in depth...documentaries...fight camps etc. The access to fighters is unbelievable nowadays. No ones gonna put that on without ppv money. And people can watch that free. Boy starts a post saying dont buy the fight. Brilliant go back to waiting to see frank bruno get interviewed once dvery six months.

    We,re now finding out about boxers down the pecking order as well....the undercard fighters.

    The point your also missing is....the days which "weren,t too bad" you talk about was pretty much when they invested a little bit in boxing that investments now gone...no one wants to invest in it anymore. So it would be even worse than the not too bad days.

    I think its just a whinge we,re after....a sort of it was better in my day agenda.

    Everythings done with a negative spin. As in dillian whytes only as good as sprott. Its just minimiliasing everything....to make your argument right.

    You we,re probably moaning about it back in the day. Probably still be moaning if they we,re giving you fury v joshua every second week.
     
  5. bbjc

    bbjc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Your moaning about the low level journeyman making poor money...but the undercard fighters would have been paid well last night. How many fighters we,re on....none of them we,re top class guys. It gave them a decent pay day as well to keep them going. Help the gap a little bit.

    Without that pay day probably would be struggling.

    One thing i think they should push for tho is....a small percent of any big purse fight like last night should go to grass roots boxing or to help fund lower level boxing.
     
  6. Unforgiven

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    Interviews ? You get more interviews now, and pundits talking, so that justifies PPV ?

    It's the internet age.

    The point your missing is that second-rate boxers (encouraged by promoters) are asking/expecting for too much for second-rate fights.
    If broadcasters are unwilling to invest it's because the likes of Whyte have been overpaid because they've tasted the PPV loot, and this has turned boxing into more of a fly-by-night racket than it was before.
    It's become more "niche", less respected, a sideshow.

    He's better than Sprott.
    About Skelton level.
    A tough, entertaining, strong British-level heavyweight.
     
  7. Unforgiven

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    I'm not moaning about the low level journeyman getting paid a grand or two.
    They can make a very good living because they are prepared to fight several times a year, several times a month even.

    I'm not too concerned about what boxers are paid.
    I'm arguing against your insistence that Whyte must be paid millions to fight anyone remotely decent, that it's an injustice if he gets less, and therefore there's no other option than to hype the **** out of his fights and stick them on PPV because the broadcasters won't invest in paying millions to non-title routine 'contenders'.
     
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  8. Unforgiven

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    Like I said before, the promoters are running it like a sleazy clip joint or a fairground sideshow.
    Pull the suckers in, give 'em some half-baked show, tell them they're seeing something really special.
    A few months later when they've mostly forgotten how much BS you told them to get them through the door, you tell them the next one is gonna be the greatest show on earth, rinse and repeat.
     
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  9. Fhaggis

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    Why you so obsessed with the behind the scene stuff and documentaries? That stuffs all over you tube with all the boxing platforms now, amazing how you think that justifies it being PPV, your either a complete mug or a matchroom bot
     
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    Its not about dillian whyte. Anyone in that top ten heavyweight division...which makes you top ten in your division in the whole of the world btw...taking on another guy around the top ten should be getting more than current investers are paying.

    Your talking about sprott and skelton...both we,re good fighters that had good careers. But no one outside of hardcore boxing fans have even heard of them. Thats part of the problem. And thats when investment in boxing was decent.

    But the sport dies if....all the marbles for fighting all the way through to the very top earns you 50,000 after tax at heavyweight....do you realise how few people make it to whytes level. The lucky few get paid a salary that probably ends up with brain damage where almost every other sport pays you millions for the same level. The rest that arent the lucky few...are basically almost part time boxers.

    Amazed that thats the thought process of hardcore boxing fans that love the sport.
     
  11. bbjc

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    The truth is no one wants to invest. Promoters have then thought of ways to get that investment. Its just simple business really. Frank and eddie aren,t the big bad wolf. Their just trying to run a succesful business that makes them rich like most business men tbh really.
     
  12. bbjc

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    Now i m obsessed with it. Surely tho as a boxing fan you want access to it. Some just like the boxing...a lot want to see more tho. I think the numbers these platforms are hitting shows people do actually want to see more.

    If they listened to you...we,d all be stuck watching that bt sports show last night....thinking boxing was booming and promoters are all evil.
     
  13. Unforgiven

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    Whyte was offered £6,000,000 or £7,000,000 for a shot at Anthony Joshua two years ago.
    No one's arguing that a challenger for a world champion (and crossover star) should not be rewarded with a large slice like that. And Whyte was an acceptable challenger. He was being offered a chance "at the very top".
    But he turned the money down.
    That was a huge reward for fighting his way to credibility with wins over Parker and Chisora. But he turned his nose up, even when Eddie Hearn agreed to a 50-50 split in event of a rematch.

    Because he'd already tasted the PPV loot. In routine winnable fights.

    So you talk about the incentives, 'top pay', what he deserves as a "top boxer", the just rewards, his years of hardships and suffering, etc. etc.
    You don't seem to grasp what's really going on.
     
  14. Erik

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    The highlight of this PPV extravaganza for me was Molina taking a dive after he realised he could easily KO Wardley if he wanted to and that wasn't part of the script.
     
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  15. carlingeight

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    You might have to confirm what you mean by integrity mate. I'm not talking about the moral integrity of the people running boxing. That horse bolted a long time ago like you say. Promoters from the past make Eddie look like a standup guy.

    I'm talking about boxing retaining its integrity as an actual sport. Following Taylor and Usyk through the WBSS, for example, makes you think the sport is alive and well regardless of who is pulling the strings. Haye vs Bellew and some of the Whyte PPVs makes you wonder if there'll be any meaningful sport left in a few years time. It'll just be someone like Hearn plus his cronies sitting around a table dreaming up pantomime rivalries.
     
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