Canelo v. Hagler's Top Middleweight Opponents?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mrkoolkevin, Aug 14, 2016.



  1. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,555
    795
    Mar 19, 2021
    I even think Kinchen has a good chance beating Canelo. Can you imagine Canelo or Baldomir giving Hagler hell?

    These are two grade B fighters, one of them holding a championship in a division devoid of talent
     
  2. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

    18,440
    9,489
    Jan 30, 2014
    Which of Canelo's fights have you watched in full?
     
  3. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

    21,527
    12,186
    Apr 3, 2012
    Canelo must have taken your lunch money.
     
  4. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

    21,527
    12,186
    Apr 3, 2012
    Dude stepped out of 2010.
     
    mrkoolkevin likes this.
  5. Boxing GOAT

    Boxing GOAT Active Member Full Member

    598
    873
    Apr 2, 2020
    Canelo loses decisions to Hearns, Leonard, and Duran.
     
  6. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,555
    795
    Mar 19, 2021
    Don't know the man. I just don't think he's much better than average and is the best of a mediocre lot.
     
  7. BELLERS

    BELLERS Active Member Full Member

    851
    888
    Feb 22, 2020
    Looking back through some older posts, I noticed Minter gets plenty of positive comments.
    He was decent, but lost 9 times. No way does he beat Canelo.
    I was a big Sibson fan, but he struggled at World level. Yes, he had some great wins (Minter, Collins, Davidson, Acaries, Kaylor etc) & made plenty of British/European/Commonwealth defences. He may give Canelo some trouble, but would probably get worn down eventually.
    Maybe I’m bigging Canelo up, but he looks pretty good to me.
     
  8. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

    7,606
    7,627
    Jun 9, 2010
    I'd say "pretty good" sums Canelo up fairly, without bigging him up.

    Stating he is 'the greatest Mexican boxer of all time', for example, might be considered bigging him up and excessive.
     
    Flash24 and BELLERS like this.
  9. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,555
    795
    Mar 19, 2021
    Canelo is durable and a decent fighter but that's it. No real weapons, no unusual talents.

    It is normal for a fan to overrate a fighter like Canelo. They badly WANT for him to turn out to be an outstanding talent but they'll just have to wait until the real thing comes around

    Could he beat a Tony Sibson, one of Hagler's top challengers?

    No. Too short on talent. too ordinary

    nor could he beat a Dwight Davison, a Frank Fletcher or even a James Kinchen. Most likely he would languish towards the bottom of the top ten middleweights throughout the 1980s
     
    BELLERS likes this.
  10. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    19,637
    5,661
    Jan 22, 2009
    I
    I was wrong about Canelo. Even though I still don't like him, he has become much better than I was willing to give him credit for then.
     
    mrkoolkevin and Fogger like this.
  11. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    9,519
    8,031
    Feb 2, 2006
    Angulo and Kirkland in Haglers day would have gotten beat up.
     
  12. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    9,519
    8,031
    Feb 2, 2006
    They are too young to get it. Hamsho was at one time a MONSTER who had a granite chin and was very physically strong not to mention a southpaw as well.
    Hagler was the one that prevented Hamsho from reaching boxing heights.
    Vito was just a relentless fighter who never seemed tire and you basically had to beat him half the death to succeed against him.
    Canelo is skillful no doubt but he's never faced this type of opponent.
    If he meets Hamsho on the inside he's going to get MAULED and abused.
    Vito he might be able to out manuver but if he tires he's in trouble.
    Sibson he might take but Sibbo could punch. If forced to pick I think Canelo has the chin and skills needed to beat Sibson.
    Minter I'm not too familiar with honestly.
     
  13. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    9,519
    8,031
    Feb 2, 2006
    Kinchen was a very good fighter but at times he just seemed mentally not to be there.
    Great fight vs Barkley. Sleep walked against Shuler in a,fight he could have won had he been more active.
     
  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

    21,527
    12,186
    Apr 3, 2012
    Is it the SD over a last legs Minter or the win over Bobby Czyz that makes you feel that way?
     
  15. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    9,519
    8,031
    Feb 2, 2006
    Say his brutal win over Curtis Parker who at the time could really fight.
    Parker even beat up a young Hearns in sparring during that time period.
    Also beat Scypion who was a very big middleweight and coming in was unbeaten.
    Also beat Willie Monroe who is better then any middle Canelo has faced minus GGG.
    Then he stomped on Benitez. And I think he gets no credit for the Benitez fight for some reason.
    He had the perfect style for Benitez - strong,relentless, swarming fighter not worried about looking pretty.