Margaritos wraps

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  1. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Momento mori Full Member

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    Did they ever find the bricks?
     
  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  3. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Momento mori Full Member

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  4. bandeedo

    bandeedo VIP Member Full Member

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    the plaster blocks that richardson says fell out, track them. where did they go once he became aware of them? where are they now and does everybody agree on how they got there? answering those questions should tell you all you need to know.
     
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  5. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    May have already been answered but if Margo wasn’t guilty, why did the trainer have to take any “fall” for him? What fall is there to take if all they found was sweat on those wraps? Is the trainer saying “oh it’s my fault, blame me, I didn’t tell Margo he’s not allowed to sweat on to his wraps”.

    To me, Margo distancing himself from the responsibility of the wraps is an admission of guilt. An innocent person would admit they can see their hands being wrapped, but there’s nothing wrong with the wraps. In this case, it looks like both trainer and Margo admit the wraps were dodgy but that it’s not Margos fault because he wasn’t aware of how his trainer wrapped his hands?
     
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  6. shadow111

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    Nazim took the two pieces that fell out and brought them to Mosley's attorney, Judd Burstein and Mosley's doctor, Robert Olvera. Olvera scratched the pieces and flakes of plaster of paris came off. Then they were placed in a sealed box and given to Dean Lohuis for investigation by the commission. Has anyone objected to this sequence of events?

    Where are they now? In the possession of the CSAC. They were sent to the lab where they produced this image under 6x microscope that show the thick, white plaster-like substance between the interlacing threads of gauze -

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  7. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Momento mori Full Member

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    Still no brick
     
  8. Olu G. Rotimi

    Olu G. Rotimi The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    Mosley, Pacquiao and Cotto gave the cheat justice he deserved the old fashioned way.
     
  9. shadow111

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    Surely you didn't think there was an actual building brick in his wrap. An actual brick is physically too big to fit into a handwrap. Hyperbole is often used to liken something to the effect that is has in the context of what it's supposed to be like. In Margarito's case, a physical brick didn't fall out of his wrap, but what did fall out of his wraps were brick-like blocks of gauze that had been hardened to make his handwraps harder and more damaging when punching.
     
  10. Finkel

    Finkel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The trouble with this continued discussion, is with each iteration of the supposed accusations/events that took place, the language choices of posters is becoming far more loaded than the wraps ever were.

    I'm going to excuse myself at this point. As it feels like retreading the same discussion points ad infinitum
     
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  11. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Momento mori Full Member

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    He saidther was like I said I'll be a way did a while
     
  12. shadow111

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    I'm in the process of responding to your last post. Sorry for the delayed response but I will be responding to you shortly with some important points.
     
  13. split_decision

    split_decision Electronic information tampers with your soul Full Member

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    He'll always be thought of as El Cheato Margarito
     
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  14. shadow111

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    This part raises some eyebrows don't you think?

    For Margarito to say “Touch it. Feel it. Go ahead. There is nothing in it. then for them remove the wrap and to find the hardened pad, well this tells us 1) Margarito was lying, he said there was nothing in it, then they opened it up and indeed found something hardened in there. 2) Margarito claiming there was nothing in it is inconsistent with Margarito's "playing dumb" defense that he just put out his hands and Capetillo did what he did and Margarito was just an innocent bystander.

    For Margarito to claim "there's nothing in it" to the inspectors suggests that he knew more about what was in there than was letting on. Had he just said "Touch it feel it" WITHOUT saying "there's nothing in it" then we'd be more likely to believe that he had no knowledge of anything. For him to say "there's nothing in it" suggests that he knew damn well what was in it and was trying to get them to touch and feel the wrap itself and be satisfied with feeling that without them unwrapping it as a last ditch effort from Margarito to hide what was hidden inside.

    If Margarito was truly innocent and had no knowledge that Capetillo already put a hardened training pad in his wrap, then why would Margarito say to them "there's nothing in it". How would he know whether there was something in it, if as he testified to, he was just an innocent bystander all along? According to his testimony, and the story from Capetillo that he took full responsibiltiy and that Margarito knew nothing about it, Margairto would have had no idea what was in the wrap. But according to this document, Margarito himself did know full well whether or not there was something in it. And if we're to believe this document, he clearly lied about what was in the wrap as a last ditch effort to try and act innocent and hope they would be satisfied with just touching and feeling the outside of the wrap alone without unraveling what was inside.
     
  15. bandeedo

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    this is what i meant when i said he would never see it. its not about the truth. i just havent figured out if he doesnt see it on purpose, believes nobody else can see it, or just isnt even aware that there is anything to see.