Manny Pacquiao is the GOAT.

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  1. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Not just me. But the vast majority of fans, media, and fighters.
     
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  2. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Clenbuterelo is only Nevada champ and all these murcian cards are better entertainment than boxing by himself.
    Also Clenbuterelo belts are toilet paper and he is only fighting in Nevada for very suspicious reason.

    Had he won GGG in Russia on cards he had get from me respect like Tabiti does have from me and this is real respect to traveling boxer, real fighter.
     
  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The vast majority of fans who expressed such an opinion are casuals or had a GGG rooting interest. Expectations and GGG hype played a large role in the perception of the first match. With the Byrd card that many felt was a sign of corruption, combined with Harold Lederman's unoffical scorecard in favor of GGG. It led anyone watching the HBO telecast to believe that GGG won and was robbed. Only those that could see through all the pro-GGG propaganda and was able to filter out all the Lederman GGG screeching and score the match straight up, like the judges did, were able to see what happened.
     
  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Big Drama Show lost. He should have lost the first time, got lucky with the draw, then 2nd time got beat down Mexican Style. GGG was conquered by his superior, Saul Canelo Alvarez.
     
  5. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Nah.

    Back to the topic at hand.

    JMM was juiced.

    Floyd was using illegal IVs to flush out his system.

    Pac never refused testing and has hurt/dropped fighters in all his VADA tested fights.
     
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  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    OK lets get back to the topic at hand. What do you make of JMM drinking his own urine before he fought Mayweather? How did you interpret that? Gross huh? Who the hell would think it would be a good idea to drink your own urine? Then JMM comes out flat vs Mayweather and loses every round after all the drug testing. Now I can't say any of this proves that he was juiced before he fought Mayweather, but it was like he never seen urine before, and thought it was something he could drink. That was very weird to me and it made me wonder if he had been drug tested before.
     
  7. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    I think it was strange and bizarre and could have opened himself up to becoming really sick. That said, I think it was a preview and sign of someone willing to do anything for a competitive advantage. Hence he went out and hired a PED expert. He knew that he'd already landed his best shots on Manny and Manny never went anywhere. All that was left was to drive his power through the stratosphere.
     
  8. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't have any reason to believe that he was using IVs before he fought Pacquiao to flush PEDs out of his system. I personally find this speculative. It is my interpretation that he was using IVs because he was literally dehydrated from all the blood and urine testing that he required of both himself and Pacquiao.

    It is my belief that both Pacquiao and Mayweather became seriously ill prior to their mega fight due to all the blood testing that they agreed to that was demanded by Mayweather, but the fight was too big and anticipated at that point to be cancelled, and neither could pull out and disappoint. Mayweather who demanded all this blood testing couldn't say anything about how dehydrated and sick he was from having his blood drawn, so he didn't say anything about it.

    We already had Pacquiao 10 years earler admitting that he became dizzy and weakened from having his blood taken twice prior to fighting Morales. It seems pretty clear to me that it was having their blood drawn as part of the random testing required by Mayweather that made both Pacquiao and Mayweather unhealthy and seriously ill before their fight. Pacquiao's shoulder injury that was also kept hush-hush until after the match may have been a result of him trying to train while being ill from the blood testing. He asked for an IV so he would not be so dehydrated and that put the NSAC in an impossible position. But the IV didn't help much, as he was still clearly dehydrated on fight night.

    Your argument that Floyd was taking IVs to flush out of his system of PEDs that he was taking just doesn't make sense to me. Once they agreed to all the random blood and urine testing, there would be no way that either fighter could have been on any PEDs at that time. Taking PEDs make fighters perform better, and we can all agree that Mayweather vs Pacquiao performed much worse than usual when they fought. Mayweather was clearly bone dry when he interviewed Jim Gray before the match, he was licking his lips. The only thing that makes sense to me is that the blood testing is what made both Mayweather and Pacquiao sick and dehydrated, since this wasn't something that either was required to do in their better performances from the past.

    When Pacquiao wasn't required to have blood taken, he performed better. It's hard to know for sure whether or not Pac was on something during his peak (2008-2012). Mayweather said Pacquiao went from an ordinary fighter to extraordinary and that is why he demanded the blood and urine testing. I don't think that Pacquiao's refusal to do blood testing after the bad experience he had before the first Morales fight indicates that he was on something. I think that Pacquiao simply just didn't like having his blood drawn, especially right before a fight, and for good reason.

    But at the same time, I think it's also plausible that he did take some PEDs during his peak (2008-2012). He developed an incredible physique during that time and I don't know how that happened if he didn't take something. Unless it was a legal fat burner, which is also plausible.
     
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  9. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I dunno care about their buterelo or IV ? horsemeat?
    Both, floydette ad buterelo are and always will remain for me as only Nevada not a world champions :D cherrry pick in hometown.

    I never had intent to stalk lads but these are ONLY HOMETOWN CHAMPS and will die like NEVADA champions not world thing.
     
  10. shadow111

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    Mayweather debuted in Las Vegas and had more than half of his total fights in Vegas. Mayweather moved to Las Vegas in 2006 and resided there for the last 10 years of his career. During that time, since 2006 he fought ONLY in Vegas. So Las Vegas was Mayweather's Home Town since 2006 and he only fought there from 2006 on. And unlike Canelo or Pacquiao, Mayweather fought there much earlier in his career and more often.

    Canelo, on the other hand, never moved to Vegas and hasn't fought there exclusively at any point in his career as Mayweather did. Pacquiao has fought far more times in Vegas than Canelo has. So if you're going to compare who has fought in Vegas more, it would be Mayweather the most, then Pacquiao, then Canelo the least.
     
  11. Badbot

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    :lol: 18 ****ing pages.
     
  12. 22JM

    22JM Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nope, All Mexicans loved when Marquez put Pacquiao to sleep that's for sure facts :lol: Deal with it :deal:
     
  13. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    It's funny how you like to re-write history, after the fact. Just in case you want to provide 'fact's' on the matter:

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    Weird...ODLH and Hopkins are 2 of the very few that scored in Canelo's favour, funny how you flipped the script on that huh?
    Go ahead, find a way to twist the narrative to fit your agenda.
     
  14. 22JM

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    Just like everyone had Marquez beating Pacquiao in all the fights until getting his a$$ to sleep, that was the only way Marquez was not going to get robbed
     
  15. kirk

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    Personally, I dont think boxing has a singular goat.

    But Pacs greatness is without question, and hes one of the modern goats, for me at least.
     
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