What's the cutoff for an "ATG?"

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by reznick, Apr 20, 2021.



How high ranked to you need to be, to be considered an ATG?

  1. 1-10

    7.7%
  2. 1-20

    38.5%
  3. 1-30

    15.4%
  4. 1-40

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. 1-50

    11.5%
  6. 1-100

    19.2%
  7. 1-150

    7.7%
  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    How highly ranked in the all time lists for their division does a fighter need to be, to be considered an ATG in your eyes?
     
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  2. Bujia

    Bujia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well beyond your cutoff. Top 150 or so.
     
  3. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    I've added an option for you!
    But just to clarify, this would be for divisional rankings.
     
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  4. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

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    Top 20ish maybe?
     
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  5. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    da ****?
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    No atg fighters outside a divisional top 20 imo.
     
  7. thistle

    thistle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    World Rankings, especially now with 20 Fight Champions just don't say enough, and even in better times they still weren't perfect.

    Ratings have been Corrupted, Court cases can Attest to that. They ARE Good and a great Guide.

    the Next step is to look at the TOP Countries Top 10 too, so with World Ratings and approx 5 Leading Nation's Own Ratings, you will get a Wider and More Accurate Panaramic Veiw of the Worlds Best Fighters.

    the Ring Used to Do this with the Top 10 followed by the Next Groups of World Classed Fighters.

    IF you've Got 3000 Top Fighters competing, you know 10 in each Division, is well short of the mark...

    I say Top 1-50 and in Strong, Strong Era's maybe even a few more.
     
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  8. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sounds about right.

    There are a little over 300 boxers in the IBHOF, but I wouldn't call all of them ATGs. Far from it!

    If we say an average of 20 men from 8 (original) divisions, that gives us 160 names. Even that seems a bit high to me!

    Of course it all depends, on what people think it takes to be called an ATG.
     
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  9. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

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    This
     
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  10. ipitythefool

    ipitythefool Prediction ? Pain Full Member

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    Generally for me it's top 15 in a division. But depends a bit on depth of quality of division.
     
  11. HolDat

    HolDat Well-Known Member Full Member

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    There's a lot of ATGs in my view. You need atleast 25.
     
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  12. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Somewhere much more accomplished than Primo Carnera.
     
  13. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Logic...

    If all time greats existed:

    A: We know them all already
    B: Mentions of them would have been found from thousands of years ago! ;)
     
  14. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    I think it depends on the division. Deeper divisions like lightweight could conceivably have 25+ names that are legitimate greats of the division but that's balanced out by some of the other original weight classes not being as deep historically and the newer divisions being obviously thinner in most cases.
     
  15. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm wondering... are there any retired ATGs, who are NOT in the IBHOF?