The majority of professional fighters and coaches on record had G beating Canelo in the first fight. The idea its just casual fans scoring it that way, or that the pros are split as to who won, is pure fantasy.
I'm aware of that, especially in respect to the first match. Though it's also pure fantasy to act like either match was a clear GGG win or a robbery. I'm not saying that it was only casuals who had GGG winning. But at the same time, a big chunk of those who had GGG winning, the first match especially, were casuals. And we've seen countless times that Harold Lederman's unofficial scoring was an anchor that generated outrage over a decision. The others who had GGG winning, in my estimation either had a pro-GGG bias or an anti-Canelo bias, or favored the come forward fighter, or had a mindset going in that GGG should win close rounds because he was the Champ. Or many people were simply saying GGG won because they were so insulted by Adalaide Byrd's 118-110 score in favor of Canelo. Some combination of all that is why most people scored that first match for GGG. Both matches had a lot of reasons to feel that GGG deserved the win, and in my estimation it had less to do with what happened in the ring and more to do with external factors and expectations. I've made it very clear that I have no problem with anyone who scored either match for GGG. I understand how anyone could see it that way, but at the same time a big chunk of those who scored it that way were led down a road that caused that, rather than just going into the match fresh, with no expectations and just scoring rounds based on clean effective punching.
You can make a case re: which of Manny or Floyd is greater either way. I'm more of a Pac fan than a Floyd fan, but as of right now, I rank Floyd slightly higher. And neither one of them is the boxing GOAT. I would place them both in 6 - 18 range with Floyd one place above Pac. But Pac's career is not over yet. And maybe, neither is Floyd's.
He's not the GOAT but he's definitely the greatest fighter of our generation for me. Real fighters>>businessmen
Manny Pacquiao is in the top 10 ATG boxers, but he's not #1. Henry Armstrong might be, or perhaps Harry Greb.
Pacquiao would have iced Armstrong, there’s footage of him just a tenacious brawler with no real speed or skill. As for Harry Greb there isn’t even footage of him so you can’t just go on legend from what old timers said.
Sadly they have. Many of his fanboys claim he is the GOAT. The truth is that neither Manny or Mayweather are in the top 20 all time. Fanboys will be fanboys however.
Whenever I see footage of early champs they look TERRIBLE overall. Just like our Olympic athletes today, boxers are now better trained, better fed, better conditioned in every way. Manny and Floyd would likely make mincemeat of almost every era that we put them in.
Agreed, neither is the GOAT. But I do think you can make an exceedingly strong and reasonable case to have each of them inside the Top 20.
