I'll start by addressing yours in disagreeing that Ray Leonard never fought a fighter with comparable speed to Norris. Thomas Hearns at welterweight had fantastic handspeed, evident in how he was able to beat Ray to the punch in both of their fights.
You said you wanted to adress points then start now. Has leonard defended any of his other 4 titles one time? He hasn't and Jones has. At middleweight, supermiddle and at 175 defended it, unified it and dominated. That's 3 weight classes up. Then he moved up one more time and without asking Ruiz to drop pounds the way Leonard would have, took over and dominated. That's how you win four titles.
Roy Jones didn't have to fight all-time greats in order to obtain his titles, and sure as hell didn't have to beat all time greats to defend them. Resume wise, Leonard is superior to Roy in every possible way. Roy's top 4 wins being: Ruiz, Hopkins, Toney, and Hill? It isn't comparable. Leonard may not have made title defences, but we've already established that his career ended prematurely. He didn't retire because he was afraid of other fighters performances, it's well publicized that he had problems with his eye after the Hearns fight.
But you won't care to address the quote I spoke of by Tim Ryan. In fact, you avoid the issue altogether. I never avoid answering because I am always on the right side of the argument. hearns was missing was Terry's left hook and uppercut, the one that destroyed Leonard mentally, physically, and spiritually. After that left hand, his heart for battle fled as terror struck and was left a mass of quivering flesh to saved by the bell. it got even worse the next round as he felt his guts turn to jelly again. And again, Tommy didnt have his mobility either. Leonard never could hit what wasn't right there in front of him. Put those two attributes and what you have is the unbeatable fighter. Terry was just too much fighter for him. The bright side: he did better than John Mugabi or Meldrick Taylor.
The problem with that is he came out of retirement to fight. Count them, 7 fights with the same "injured eye". If his eye was causing him problems why was he still fighting? You'd better have a good reason.
You have actually got a reason to critisize. Thats what I have against Leonard. To win two titles in two seperate divisions you need to fight twice, not once. IMO thats outright cheating. How the WBC sanctioned the fight for two of their titles is ridiculous. I would personally be embarrassed with such a claim if I was Leonard. Anyone who has Leonard as a legitimate five weight world champion needs as much medical attention as Rooster.
So is Trevor Berbick more accomplished than Ali because he defeated him in the twilight if his career. The Leonard who first stepped up to 154 & fought Kalule. Would have little difficulty with Norris.
Wasn't peak Norris ko'ed by a washed up welterweight?? Losing 2 out of 3 vs the ordinary Santana isn't exactly gods gift either. And how about his prime losses to Mullings, Rosenblatt and Boudouani? Three losses in a row and the man was only 30-31!! This is truly no contest.
Sometimes I wonder if we are all are crazy as Rooster for all the time we put in with replies trying to convince him. Ever think about that? We might be on the same boat as him.
I only do it for fun out of boredom or when it suits. Blind Freddy knows he's trolling. Ever seen me get emotional, frustrated or worked up in any reply to him He gives enormous scope for people to get in pro SRL posts and replies and has no idea how much good he's actually done the man.
So Trevor Berbick was better than Ali? Brad Simmons was all time the better fighter than Sam Langford? There are countless examples of great fighters losing to lesser fighters at the end of their careers.
Am I comparing Berbick-Ali with Norris-Leonard? Stop using that old gimmick! Ray was heavily favored this means he has no excuses. Terry was just too much fighter for him. One other thing I don't understand when people say "Terry couldn't stand up to the Leonard who stepped up to face Kalule" First of all, no one even knew who Kalule was even in his own time! But how his legend has grown since. Kalule always got beat. A novice could beat him and did. In fact, two novices beat him the same year after leonard. To be sure Ayub is no Terry Norris, he's just a well paid piece of meat brought in to lose the way Lalonde was brought in to lose. Oh sure, they fight back feebly to give the impression that a contest is going on but we all know what's going to happen in the end. With Terry Norris you know this is the real thing. Terry will actually get out of the way when you attempt to hit him. And when he hits that's real too. There is no pulling of punches in a Terry Norris fight. He hits you fast he hits you hard and Ray Leonard just isn't used to that. In the words of Steve Farhood "He fall down go boom!"