What's the cutoff for an "ATG?"

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by reznick, Apr 20, 2021.



How high ranked to you need to be, to be considered an ATG?

  1. 1-10

    7.7%
  2. 1-20

    38.5%
  3. 1-30

    15.4%
  4. 1-40

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. 1-50

    11.5%
  6. 1-100

    19.2%
  7. 1-150

    7.7%
  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    *stares intently at window*
     
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  2. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    Okay, in even simpler terms :

    All-Time Great is a fighter who retired and is still worth talking about - and will always be worth talking about - simply because of how good they were at boxing and/or how much they achieved.
     
  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, loads.
     
  4. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Could you name some?
     
  5. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Top 10 if its divisional.
     
  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As far as I know, none of these guys are in.

    Chucho Castillo
    Santos Laciar
    Jiro Watanabe
    Gilberto Roman
    Ernesto Marcel
    Jose Medel
    Lionel Rose
    Rafael Herrera
     
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  7. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    All good fighters... but I'm not sure, I'd call them ATGs. Going by achievement, I guess a case could be made for Laciar. And maybe for Rose, for being the first aboriginal champion.

    Jose Medel was a fine fighter in a stacked bantamweight era - but I don't see, how he classifies as an ATG.
     
  8. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There is no argument for Castillo, Herrera, Rose, Marcel and Laciar not being all-time greats.
     
  9. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It depends, how low you want to set the bar. Personally, I think "ATG" is a label that should be reserved for VERY special fighters... and not those who were just very good.
     
  10. George Crowcroft

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    Marcel should be a shoe in for a top 10 FW, and is a lock for top twenty.

    Rose, Castillo and Herrera are all close, or in, the top ten at BW.

    They're all-time greats.
     
  11. JackSilver

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    I say top 16 cos 16 is the perfect number of fighters to have in a all time matchup tournament.
     
  12. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    All Time Great? Can't put my finger on any one thing. You just know it when you say their name.

    For example, when I blurt out Dana Rosenblatt!! Real loud did your mind go to All Time Great?

    Mike McCallum! Eh...nope. if you have to think about it doesn't qualify.

    Hector Camacho! Nope, coulda don't count.

    Joe Louis!
    The system works
     
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  13. Unforgiven

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    Dubblechin's post is correct.
    "ALL TIME GREAT" is obviously a designation that is valid for .... well, ALL TIME.
    No one gets thrown off the list when a new one is added.
     
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  14. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Does that mean we're stuck with Jim Corbett and Gene Tunney as all time great heavyweights?
     
  15. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And no one is added, as they would not have been great for ALL TIME.