Floyd Is A Nightmare For Clenelo And Beats Any Version At Any Weight...

It's unreasonable to expect Floyd to compete at 168. Still, if we use the fairest middle-ground, Canelo does not have the style to win. He is stumpy and likes to out-fine his opponents. That is not how you approach Floyd. You either need clear physical advantages or be a dynamo who will not stop punching.

Canelo likes to use his head-movement as trap, leans forward to bait leads. None of this would work with Floyd who enjoys the greater reach at any weight. The Pretty Boy would sit back and make the better decisions.

A key point that's rarely mentioned - in their actual 2013 fight - Floyd barely got out of second gear. If a 'prime' Canelo was able to bring it more, a prime Floyd would have many more answers.

 

Floyd was great and as close to unbeatable as you can get. There are limits though, if you put him in weight divisions that he has no business being in, he will lose. That's why there's weight limits.

 

They were at similar points on opposite ends of their career arc, I think the actual fight serves as a fair comparison.

Mayweather's tactics aged well but he was a hand speed and reflexes guy originally and those age poorly, plus the usual hand injury problems set in years before he faced Canelo. He didn't take so enormous punishment but he came from a hard sparring background and was well over his best weight.

 

Coming from a dumb fisherman who spends 5 months of the year on the water that's rich. You don't know **** about boxing. I went round and round with your dumbass for entire era about pbf owning your hating ass under several of your alts fight after fight after fight. All you did was hate pick fights with his fans and not offer an ounce of boxing analysis or breakdowns. You're a bitter broke ass troll and that's all you'll ever be.

You damn right pbf p4p is a better fighter than canelo and if pbf was the same size he would always beat him because he's a stylistic nightmare for him. A faded pbf schooled canelo remember that.

Yes pbf was shot when he fought pac he looked horrible bad balance accuracy couldn't counter but he still schooled pac because of his ability to control range and dictate distance on pac. Pbf looked damn near shot against maidana a guy in his prime he would've shut out. He looked horrible against berto he was finished. He basically retired after berto 6 years ago.

 

Floyd never fought above 154lbs, so the most physically prime and seasoned version of Clenelo that could have fought Mayweather was the 154lb version that fought Liam Smith in 2016.

What was the best version of Floyd at 154, the one who fought DLH or who fought Cotto? He was younger vs DLH but more solid and comfortable at the weight when he fought Cotto.

The first fight was so dominant ....Floyd didn't lose more than one or two rounds. What difference would it really be with more prime versions of themselves?

Mayweather 116-112

 

What fast and slick fighters have Alvarez faced since the Mayweather fight? None. Mayweather is a bad style matchup for Alvarez regardless of weight.

 

because he lost movement at 154, which is why he only fought blown-up welters there.
154 was his limit.

 

Floyd did indeed look phenomenal against Canelo, and enjoyed arguably the best post prime of any fighter not named Archie Moore. But, he still relied more on ring IQ and less on pure physical ability from 2010 on than he did in 2007. He was still elusive as hell and a gifted counter puncher, but he didn't have quite the same pop or hand speed that he had when he was at his absolute zenith. I think the last time he really was able to go through the gears offensively against a truly top flight guy was against Hatton. He didn't really accelerate his attack to that level in any fight after that.

 

A juiced to the gills dancing dervish Mayweather BARELY beat an injured & sabotaged Pacquaio. IV gate was all the proof anyone ever needed to prove Floyd was juiced. The NSAC only made it more obvious with the " Mr Mayweather did nothing wrong" pathetic attempt to get him off the hook

 

Floyd couldnt kick a fairies ass ROFL He'd just run, hold, elbow smash repeat like always & leave it to the Vegas judges lol

 

I think we have to say the version who fought Canelo. He was more experienced, he had his Father in his corner, he was in better shape. Mayweather trained harder for Canelo than he did for Cotto, Cotto had a decent amount of success vs Mayweather. Mayweather was more elusive vs Canelo than he was vs Cotto. (more upper body movement) Mayweather also was loading up on his shots more vs Canelo than he did vs Cotto.

To your point, when he fought De La Hoya, that was the first time he had been at that weight, he wasn't as experienced, and while he clearly won, it was still relatively competitive. This was vs a De La Hoya who was well past his prime. The version of Mayweather who fought Canelo in 2013 would have schooled this older version of DLH much easier than the younger, less experienced Mayweather who fought DLH.

 

He did look "phenomenal" against Canelo. But even a phenomenal version of Mayweather could only barely squeak out a decision vs a young, pre-prime, drained Canelo 116-112, 117-111, 114-114. This was the closest decision Mayweather had since he fought De La Hoya, and this was with Mayweather having every advantage possible and Canelo at a considerable disadvantage.

If you take the better versions of 154-lb Canelo who fought Lara, Kirkland, Angulo or Liam Smith, Canelo does even better vs Mayweather. So instead of 116-112, 117-111, 114-114 Mayweather, that Majority Decision would become Split Decision or a Canelo victory. And if you take anything less than the "phenomenal" version of Mayweather that fought Canelo, Canelo wins more clearly.

What we saw in 2013 was the absolute best 154-lb version of Mayweather possible vs the absolute worst version of Canelo possible, drained to a catchweight, and Canelo still gave Mayweather all kinds of problems. Mayweather needed every advantage and trick in the book to eek out the decision that night. Better 154-lb, non drained versions of Canelo, would do much better.

It's hard to pinpoint his absolute zenith, though I'd agree that vs Hatton is probably the best example. The thing to remember about Hatton was he was never the same fighter at 147 that he was at 140. Remember the year before he fought Mayweather, most people thought he lost vs Luis Collazo and got a gift decison.

So while Mayweather looked great that night he fought Hatton, and that might be seen as his zenith (he did retire for 2 years following that fight) he still was very close to his zenith after he came back between 2009-2013. By the early 2010s, Mayweather was starting to break down physically, but he compensated for that with harder training, modern treatments in Las Vegas to help with his brittle hands and to recover faster. It was only after he fought Canelo that he started to really slow down and get out of shape which is why he almost lost to Maidana.