Floyd Is A Nightmare For Clenelo And Beats Any Version At Any Weight...

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  1. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Floyd's peak ended in 2007-at the latest.

    If you put the Mayweather who faced DLH in against a somewhat older Canelo from, say, 2016 (the one who faced Liam Smith, as an example), I'm probably still picking Floyd every time out.
     
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  2. Pakkuman

    Pakkuman I'm not hot. I'm just BIG. banned Full Member

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    I think Clenelo's looked faster and is clearly hitting harder. His distance management and punch selection has also improved, although some of that may be attributed to careful cherrypicking or downright mediocre opponents
     
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  3. Pakkuman

    Pakkuman I'm not hot. I'm just BIG. banned Full Member

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    Floyd was still near prime through most of his run at 147 and he was close to his prime leading up to his retirement. He looked phenomenal in the Clenelo fight in every single department. Looked to be as complete a performance as the Diego fight.

    Don't confuse fighting bigger and sturdier men and not being able to put them away as a drop in ability or attributes.
     
  4. Ted Spoon

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    It's unreasonable to expect Floyd to compete at 168. Still, if we use the fairest middle-ground, Canelo does not have the style to win. He is stumpy and likes to out-fine his opponents. That is not how you approach Floyd. You either need clear physical advantages or be a dynamo who will not stop punching.

    Canelo likes to use his head-movement as trap, leans forward to bait leads. None of this would work with Floyd who enjoys the greater reach at any weight. The Pretty Boy would sit back and make the better decisions.

    A key point that's rarely mentioned - in their actual 2013 fight - Floyd barely got out of second gear. If a 'prime' Canelo was able to bring it more, a prime Floyd would have many more answers.
     
  5. Pakkuman

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    They're not able to fight as prime versions due to the weight. Clenelo is at his very best right now. 16 pounds above where they fought. And don't forget Clenelo rehydrates from 168 as well.

    Floyd wouldn't fight Clenelo at 154, nevermind 160 or 168.
     
  6. seansanashee

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    Floyd was great and as close to unbeatable as you can get. There are limits though, if you put him in weight divisions that he has no business being in, he will lose. That's why there's weight limits.
     
  7. sasto

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    They were at similar points on opposite ends of their career arc, I think the actual fight serves as a fair comparison.

    Mayweather's tactics aged well but he was a hand speed and reflexes guy originally and those age poorly, plus the usual hand injury problems set in years before he faced Canelo. He didn't take so enormous punishment but he came from a hard sparring background and was well over his best weight.
     
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  8. Pimp C

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    Coming from a dumb fisherman who spends 5 months of the year on the water that's rich. You don't know **** about boxing. I went round and round with your dumbass for entire era about pbf owning your hating ass under several of your alts fight after fight after fight. All you did was hate pick fights with his fans and not offer an ounce of boxing analysis or breakdowns. You're a bitter broke ass troll and that's all you'll ever be.

    You damn right pbf p4p is a better fighter than canelo and if pbf was the same size he would always beat him because he's a stylistic nightmare for him. A faded pbf schooled canelo remember that.

    Yes pbf was shot when he fought pac he looked horrible bad balance accuracy couldn't counter but he still schooled pac because of his ability to control range and dictate distance on pac. Pbf looked damn near shot against maidana a guy in his prime he would've shut out. He looked horrible against berto he was finished. He basically retired after berto 6 years ago.
     
  9. DonnyMo

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    Floyd never fought above 154lbs, so the most physically prime and seasoned version of Clenelo that could have fought Mayweather was the 154lb version that fought Liam Smith in 2016.

    What was the best version of Floyd at 154, the one who fought DLH or who fought Cotto? He was younger vs DLH but more solid and comfortable at the weight when he fought Cotto.

    The first fight was so dominant ....Floyd didn't lose more than one or two rounds. What difference would it really be with more prime versions of themselves?

    Mayweather 116-112
     
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  10. cslb

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    What fast and slick fighters have Alvarez faced since the Mayweather fight? None. Mayweather is a bad style matchup for Alvarez regardless of weight.
     
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  11. Aussie Invader

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    because he lost movement at 154, which is why he only fought blown-up welters there.
    154 was his limit.
     
  12. Drew101

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    Floyd did indeed look phenomenal against Canelo, and enjoyed arguably the best post prime of any fighter not named Archie Moore. But, he still relied more on ring IQ and less on pure physical ability from 2010 on than he did in 2007. He was still elusive as hell and a gifted counter puncher, but he didn't have quite the same pop or hand speed that he had when he was at his absolute zenith. I think the last time he really was able to go through the gears offensively against a truly top flight guy was against Hatton. He didn't really accelerate his attack to that level in any fight after that.
     
  13. C.J.

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    A juiced to the gills dancing dervish Mayweather BARELY beat an injured & sabotaged Pacquaio. IV gate was all the proof anyone ever needed to prove Floyd was juiced. The NSAC only made it more obvious with the " Mr Mayweather did nothing wrong" pathetic attempt to get him off the hook
     
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  14. C.J.

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    Floyd couldnt kick a fairies ass ROFL He'd just run, hold, elbow smash repeat like always & leave it to the Vegas judges lol
     
  15. shadow111

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    I think we have to say the version who fought Canelo. He was more experienced, he had his Father in his corner, he was in better shape. Mayweather trained harder for Canelo than he did for Cotto, Cotto had a decent amount of success vs Mayweather. Mayweather was more elusive vs Canelo than he was vs Cotto. (more upper body movement) Mayweather also was loading up on his shots more vs Canelo than he did vs Cotto.

    To your point, when he fought De La Hoya, that was the first time he had been at that weight, he wasn't as experienced, and while he clearly won, it was still relatively competitive. This was vs a De La Hoya who was well past his prime. The version of Mayweather who fought Canelo in 2013 would have schooled this older version of DLH much easier than the younger, less experienced Mayweather who fought DLH.