In my estimation, Canelo has had 7 "serious" fights and is 3-3-1 in them

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  1. Pakkuman

    Pakkuman I'm not hot. I'm just BIG. banned Full Member

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    You should remove Clenelo's D from your esophagus. Your lips have crusted over and I fear you may lose function of them soon.

    :risas3:

    We all know that you're ONLY pumping Clenelo because Floyd beat a pre-PED, green, and drained version.

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  2. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Trout : Didnt see

    Lara : Canelo

    Golovkin 1 : Golovkin

    Golovkin 2 : Canelo

    Mayweather : Mayweather

    Jacobs : Canelo

    Smith : Canelo

    ...

    I have him 4-2 with 1 NA.
     
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  3. sasto

    sasto Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I appreciate this measured take that includes analysis, even though I never saw the case for Canelo losing to Trout. It was more competitive than one would think based on what came after though.

    My question is who is active that has 7 comparable fights with a better record, especially outside the lower weight divisions? Pacquiao would be one, Povetkin has something similar but not necessarily better, it's a small group.
     
  4. N17

    N17 VIP Member Full Member

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    I'm with Mr K on this one.
     
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  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Kovalev is a wanker. So no, it doesn't.

    Canelo stepped up two divisions to face a fighter who pundits and forum dwellers alike thought he'd lose to.

    Don't leave it off because it doesn't fit your agenda.
     
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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    What makes it even worse is he cheerleaders constantly defend the completely indefensible, perform all manner of mental gymnastics to defend the completely indefensible and act like the very valid criticisms people have of him and the corruption which is synonymous with his name as ginger hair is are unwarranted or should be swept under the carpet. Basically all they care about is that their guy gets the win via hook or crook and any semblance of integrity they might have possessed gets chucked out of the window.

    I just cannot support a fighter who has to stack the deck to that degree and who only has to make it to the final bell to get their hand raised, let alone worship at their altar, and any fighter who refuses neutral judges (Andre Ward) and who acts like their opponent wanting a home judge (and BJS is perfectly OK with Clenelo having a home one too) and a more even playing field when facing the poster boy for corruption for the sport who, as said, only has to make it to the final bell to get their hand raised is unreasonable.
     
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  7. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    I stopped reading when you had the Trout vs Nelo fight a draw. If you scored a fight a draw while only 1 knockdown occurred then you'd have to score one of the rounds even. You GGG fans don't know how to score a fight and are letting blind hatred and group mentality skew your way of thinking.
     
  8. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And there's something wrong with that is there?
     
  9. N17

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    I can't argue with any of that, You're spot on.


    People just have to be honest and consistent, I have biases, it's natural but I know they are there and try my best to be fair.

    What fighter do you know that gets caught on a drug test and a governing body come out and start running cover for them? The WBC were out before Team Canelo making excuses and giving passes, it's just embarrassing for boxing.

    Look, we all have to be honest, we've seen it, we watched it.. Canelo hasn't just got the cards stacked in his favour, he has a spare deck and a few odd cards up his sleeves.

    Everybody pretty much know already, if this goes to the cards then Canelo will get a decision, I would be incredibly shocked if BJS got a decision, even if he won it and won it comfortably.

    But I'll be honest after the fight, If it goes to the cards and I believe BJS won, i'll say it, take my deserved "abuse" and congratulate BJS and the people who picked him and I hope others do too.
     
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  10. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Canelo beat Trout but lost clearly to Lara (he did not win more than 4/5 rounds).

    GGG won both fights 8-4 to 9-3 and its quite embarassing hearing people trying to give Canelo either fight. The second fight was not a draw as well as I so often hear, it was a close but CLEAR win for GGG.

    The Kovalev fight was a pathetic sparring session/fix and the fact there are no calls for an investigation into that fight demonstrates how ****/corrupt boxing is (Yildrim "fight" was also extremely suspect)

    The Smith and Jacobs fight were weird fights. Jacobs decided to do almost nothing for the first 6 rounds before opening up in the last six and actually making it close. With Smith, although he looked trash against Ryder (and Caenlo also slapped on a short camp) at least he looked like he was trying to win. Canelo was not showing anything spectacular against Smith and was just walking in straight lines no head movement, whilst Smith would just let him do so no jab nothing. No boxer there to win would just simply let someone do that, and Canelo isn't a monstrously fast or intelligent counter puncher so that Smith would simply just not throw jabs or punches. Canelo is a good counterpuncher no doubt, but I've seen worse boxers (than Smith) give better counterpunchers a better fight.

    In summary, Canelos recent fights have been very very dodgy to say the least and Id be very surprised if there were no dodgy background dealings. Although we are never likely to find out re documented evidence that Canelo Kovalev was a fix, the blatant performances from both in that fight is solid enough evidence.

    I suspect Billy and Canelo have sorted some dodgy dealings and will see another weird fight... Also, Canelo fights have been extremely boring post GGG fight
     
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  11. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Canelo has surpassed Mayweather as one of if not the most manufactured boxer of all time

    Boxing is a joke with this clown acting like he represents it
     
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  12. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Of course there is, that's why judges don't score even rounds. It just causes more confusion on an already flawed system.
     
  13. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    You know, when I go to work, sometimes I drink coffee for the caffeine. How that any different? Caffeine help me be at my best mentally to do the books. AIn't nobody got a problem with it.
     
  14. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How about this, if it goes the distance and it's close and debatable, no matter who gets the decision, how about we congratulate both fighters for a great fight, and have a lively debate over who deserved to win more?

    Your plan to congratulate Billy if he loses but you thought he won is fine, but with such a mindset going in about how you think Canelo will win the decision no matter what happens, the opposite could end up becoming true, in that you have now become invested in scoring close rounds to Billy in an effort to prove yourself right about this theory that Billy can't win on the cards.
     
  15. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    How can Trout be considered a serious fight compared to a guy like Miguel Cotto