Really, is that so? Show me some examples of recent scorecards in the USA of judges scoring rounds 10-10.
I may not be Canelo's biggest fan; but to say he's only been in seven real serious fights is an insult to both him and his opponents,
For me Canelo is boring and despite I earlier didn't had watched Khan fight cos too predictable outcome, I recently had watched and even listened biased comments and watched these biased cards. It was clear that sooner or later he will steam roll bulked up pillow fisted welterweight. If some comments and fans might induce hate and sense to need vomit these are clenelo fights. LOL, god had moved, WoW, LOL, he had landed on guard , WoW, LOL, he throws and miss, WoW, LOL, God had landed, WoW. After I had watched this stuff recently, I'm sure I will not care to watch his fights. Regards his hometown cocked cherry pickers fights vs GGG, this is laugh and all pro boxing is laugh and fun here nothing more. Kovalev fight? For me was enough to see his fight vs Yarde to get stuff and ofc enough short notice shot vodka Kov is cool to boost stuff called as " heritage " while this cherry picker did not had not Gvozdyk nor 30-35 y.o prime Beterbiev versions in the ring cos wow, they had finished this pupp in distance. His fans even attempts to make his win vs Kovalev close to Ward fights stuff and yeah, Ward too was hometown tickets seller with hometown officiating but at least he really did not had in the ring shot over the hill Kov.
I think you just assumed that even rounds are given by judges in the USA. I think that you are mistaken. In America, judges are strongly discouraged from scoring even rounds. This is not the case in the U.K. In the U.K., it is still common for judges to score even rounds. If anyone can confirm or deny what I'm saying, it would be appreciated. And if I'm wrong, then please show me some examples of decisions in the USA that had 10-10 rounds.
Same here. But what about official judges? I know even rounds are pretty common in the U.K., but what about in America? Do you recall seeing any USA decisions in recent memory where judges gave 10-10 rounds? I don't. Yet Dubblechin was saying it happens all the time.
All it shows is that he fights in a manner pleasing to judges. Yesterday in close fights I felt both Jonas and Chisora deserved the verdicts against Taylor and Parker. However I don’t think the judges were corrupt or paid maybe a tad incompetent is the highest charge I can throw at them. Against Kovalev that was the worst I have seen Canelo probably indicating he is no Light Heavyweight but you know what he closed the show making the judges irrelevant.
I read what you wrote the other night. I don't watch every U.S. undercard fight on every boxing show on every network and streaming platform these days. Just what interests me. The last big fight in Chicago (where I live) before the pandemic was a little over two years ago when Glowacki fought Vlasov and Brieidis fought Gevor. There were even rounds in both those co-features. And judges in title fights (regardless of what country the fight takes place) are routinely scored by American judges. The sanctioning orgs don't insist on no even rounds, so it doesn't matter where the fights are held. I understand that in Nevada there is a push to try to score rounds for one guy or the other. But that's one state. When boxing starts coming back more regularly this year, I'm sure your fears will subside. I have been converting DVDs to mpegs, and there are too many fights to name with even rounds going back 70 years that I've come across lately - Marciano-Charles 1, Patterson-Jackson 1, Patterson-Chuvalo, Patterson-Bonavena, Ali-Frazier 1, Ali-Norton 1, Ali-Norton 2, Ali-Norton 3, Ali-Shavers, Ali-Spinks 1, Ali-Spinks 2, Ali-Berbick, Foreman-Young, Holmes-Berbick, Holmes-Witherspoon, Holmes-Spinks 1, Holmes-Spinks 2, Holmes-Mercer, Witherspoon-Snipes, Witherspoon-Tubbs, Tubbs-Young, Tubbs-Thunder, Bowe-Tubbs, Bowe-Holyfield 2, Holyfield-Lewis 1, Leonard-Duran 2, Leonard-Hearns 1, Whitaker-Chavez, Whitaker-Nelson, Brewster-Liakhovich, De La Hoya-Trinidad, Mayweather-Castillo 2. And too many fights to count that ended early but already had even rounds scored on official cards. Hope that helps.
In my estimation I respect your opinion but your clearly an factually wrong. You obviously hold Canelo to some very high standards. I wonder if you do the same with every fighter as well, because if you don't then you are indeed looking with a bias. I'm just going to ask you one question, are you versed in the 10 point must scoring system, or are you like 99.9% of casuals and a great majority of supposed hardcore fans who don't even know what elements to look for and score?
Good examples, I just know that even rounds are exceedingly rare these days in the USA. They are far more common in the U.K. And they are far more rare when scored by an American judge. Like in one of your examples, one of the judgse who scored an even round was a judge from the U.K. I was just looking for some examples of decisons in recent years where there were some even rounds, and you provided that. Thank you for that. But again it still doesn't change the overall point that they are not very common these days, especially in Main Events of PPVs. The bigger the fight and the more eyeballs watching, it's like judges become less willing to score a round even for fear of scrutiny. I think you'd be hard pressed to find an even round scored by any official judge in Main Event of a PPV or a fight involving a Top P4P fighter over the last 20 years in the USA. There may be one, but it would be like finding a needle in a haystack. They are not very common at all in the USA these days, especially in Vegas or in other states like California or Texas. Even rounds may be more common in Illinois, which is great to see, for more under the radar events like Glowacki vs Vlasov or Brieidis vs Gevor. But in terms of major fights, PPVs, etc you're just not gonna find many decisions with even rounds over the last 20 or so years in America. That was my point. And back to the original point by DirtyDan about Canelo Trout, that still stands since there were no even rounds scored in that particular match. His point was very true, since we are so used to judges not scoring even rounds, the math just didn't add up to Canelo Trout being a draw since there was a knockdown and to get a draw, it would require an even round. Let me be clear that I myself score even rounds, and I think that for more accurate scoring there should be more even rounds, but these days the official judges just generally do not, and as you stated are discouraged by most commissons (maybe not Illinois) to choose a winner in every round no matter what. So in a match with only one knockdown there's pretty much no chance of it being scored a draw. You still may get an occassional even round in an Illinois, below the radar event like the examples you gave, but you won't see even rounds in a major PPV Main Event in a state like Nevada, Texas, or California. So I'm on your side about even rounds, I think judges should score even rounds more and commissons shouldn't discourage it. But the fact is that even rounds are very rare these days in America. You stated "Watch boxing matches held today in the U.S. There will be a couple like there were yesterday." You were acting like every time there's a decision in America there's a bunch of even rounds. Clearly that's NOT the case. Take Ruiz Arreola, for example, there were no even rounds. There's no question that historically even rounds were very common in the USA, through the 1980s and even occasionally in the 1990s. Around the time that the 15 rounds limit was reduced to 12 rounds, there were a lot of changes and one of them was that even rounds became far more rare in America. I made several topics about this in the past. In the old days before the 10 point must system, when the referee was one of the judges, it was not uncommon for the referee or judges to score more even rounds than rounds with a winner. I am very knowledgeable about how common even rounds were in the old days, and how rare they are today. I'm more old school in how I score fights in my willingness to score rounds even. An example is in my topic a few weeks back on the classic forum about the scoring in Fernando Vargas vs Winky Wright. I scored several rounds even. But of course, to my point, none of the judges scored a single round even, and that was in Oregon in the late 1990s. So I'm well aware that historically even rounds were very common. My point was that, in the last 2-3 decades, that changed and no longer are even rounds common like they were in the old days.
