Look, if Galento could nail Joe with a big left hook, and he did, Jack would have and may have followed up enough to stop Joe. When asked who would win Jack said, Joe kind of keep his left hand a little low, when Joe was asked he said, Jack keeps his left hand a little low.
Dempsey, would overwhelm, Louis. Dempsey threw his punches--Very Fast, out of his weave'ng with his whole body behind it. Louis stance wasn't too good, and Dempsey would nail him off balance. Gene Tunney, would have also, beat the great Joe Louis.
I wouldn’t say he outboxed Louis. Max pretty much sacrificed one side of his face so that Louis could gain confidence from jabbing him without reply for several rounds in order that Schmeling could learn to time his counters. Schmeling was very patient but Louis really wasn’t being outboxed even if he could do nothing to stop Max making him pay for each jab he tried the longer the fight went on. This is true. But there is more than one way to skin a cat. I imagine you are implying only the tactic Schmeling used would work on Louis. But Dempsey could slip a right over a jab too. And he was faster than Schmeling. An older Dempsey caught Tunney with one prior to the fury that created the famous “long count” knockdown.
Dempsey beat no one within a magnitude of Joe in terms of talent and boxing ability at the heavyweight level. If you examine the "name" fighters he beat, they were almost always out of their proper division or at the end of their run. And then there is the issue of the color line which was repeatedly drawn. Contending that he would beat a fighter of Louis' ability, especially a Black fighter of his ability, is just impossible to substantiate based on the clowns he defeated.
Louis is slow as molasses. he shuffles towards his man. he becomes an easy target, for the speed of Dempsey, and he is a slow thinker. He won't be able to get out of range of the thunder of Dempsey. Louis will miss more shots than he will land. Conn was beating him easy, but didn't posses a knockout punch, which Dempsey has in each hand.
You didn't watch the fight if you think that Schmeling didn't outbox Louis. It's true that Joe's jab still landed quite a few times, but it wasn't effective and Max countered it as early as in the 2nd round. Louis was losing before the stoppage, Schmeling hit him harder and more often than vice versa. He clearly outboxed and outsmarted him. No, I don't imply it's the only way to beat Louis. I imply that using Schmeling victory as an argument for Dempsey isn't smart, because Dempsey would never use Schmeling's tactic.
Dempsey doesn’t have to use the Schmeling tactic. He just has to hit as hard, which he did, prove that he could knock out world level opponents, which he did, then incorporate this within his style against Louis to produce this against Joe Louis. Jack could counter a jab too. He was pretty advanced. Fast feet. yeah, Louis was losing before the stoppage because it was a long fight, he’d been knockd down etc, but it was a long breakdown. Schmeling was exploiting a technical flaw to hurt Louis and keep him hurt but joe took a lot of breaking down. Louis was unable to recover and stayed groggy. So Schmeling was outboxing a groggy fighter. He beat him up slowly if you like. Technically Louis was landing a lot of jabs, Schmeling wanted to be jabbed in the face to draw the jab to counter it. Even after Louis was groggy. It’s a funny way to out box somebody to want to first get jabbed in the face first. Joe Louis was landing more punches before the first knockdown, which effectively was the beginning of the end of the fight.
Then why do you even use Schmeling fight as an argument? "Schmeling knocked out Louis by fighting in a way Dempsey would never try, so that's the argument for Dempsey here". It doesn't make any sense... It's not about whether Dempsey was capable of beating Louis or not - it's about using Schmeling as an argument in this discussion. It's completely pointless. This is not what happened in this fight. Have you watched it at least once outside of popular highlights?
dempsey to much movement for louis he was the best mover ever in those black and white times before people upgraded skills and the big names like joe and ali came
same way I feel to much movement joe and his era was like Dempseys but Dempsey didnt move nothing like anybody he was way ahead of his time as far as movement goes his timing was good to
I am surprised there is this much support for Dempsey. At a time when the sport had advanced, was finally including blacks among the competitors, & given the far better record of Louis, How great he was for so long, the relative inferiority of competition... We should have a threadb where each guy goes up against the other's competition. Louis was just better & exponentually more accomplished, despite the forced inactivity of WW2.
What a joke nothing but hyperbole could produce such a dumb theory. Louis turns him into a puddle if he is brave enough to try and stand and bang.
