Wladimir Klitschko is now the greatest heavyweight who ever lived, according to Boxrec.

Reminder. Made Brewster quit on his stool with no inury forcing him to do so.

 

Hmmm. And I was saying MY list needs revising.

 

The rankings are badly off because they're too heavily weighted in favour of past pro success and political considerations:

- Whyte being ranked #3 or #4 was always ridiculous as he's slow, not especially tall or rangy, has a poor gas tank and a glass chin. Povetkin was also taking a beating before he set up one huge shot that smashed Whyte's glass chin.

- Kownacki is a face-first, chin up in the air pressure fighter who waddled into Helenius's best shots and Helenius has always been a power puncher.

- Parker has no spite or will.

- Pulev has done nothing for several years.

- Ortiz was overranked to make Wilder's thin resume look less embarrassing.

None of these fighters (save Povetkin, but he's from a previous era and Wilder, who beat Ortiz) were ever really top 5.

 

He has 23 total defenses and 18 consecutive. Went undefeated as a champion for 11 years. A very active 11 years. He’s top 10 anyway you slice it. And fought a lot of prime peak heavyweights during his title defenses. Which means more than beating “name” guys already on the downside.

 

We all know about Boxrec’s points based ranking system.

They once had Oscar De La Hoya and Joe Calzaghe in their list of the top 10 P4P fighters of all time.

 

Of course they’re wrong.

It’s a highly flawed points based scoring system.

He’s top because he’s accumulated the most points using their own algorithm.

You don’t rank a guy as the number 1 of all time just based on statistics.

Sure, he had great longevity. And that has to be respected. But he wouldn’t have gone 11 years undefeated across the 80’s or 90’s.

He was lucky that he fought in a weaker era.

He was lucky that his brother retired for 4 years through injury.

He was lucky that his brother permanently retired earlier than he did.

He was lucky that he could never fight his brother.

Vitali was far more formidable.

A guy who got knocked out 3 times in his 20’s to B and C class HW’s, before going on and fighting super cautiously and dominating other B and C class guys in a weak division, whilst his brother sat on the sidelines, was NOT the greatest HW champion of all time.

 

You think he would beat everyone?

Yet he wasn’t able to do that in his own actual career.

 

How are those guys in the top 6?

They could well be at some stage, but they’re not at the moment.

Hrgovic has only had 12 fights.

Joyce has only had 12 fights.

Yoka has only had 10 fights.

Who have they beaten?

None of them can rank that highly.

Stop being silly.

 

In absolute ability?

 

Ha!

How could anybody put Joyce and Hrgovic there?

Those guys have only had 10-12 fights and they’ve not beaten anyone of note.

 

I have him at #5.

 

Lower end top 10 i'd say. Head to head he'd be a problem for most fighters in history though. And I think his brother was even better although it doesnt really show on paper.

 

Congratulations Wladimir nothing to prove been there done that

 

It is funny argument because boxers like A.J and even Fury had fought vs boxer who had lost fights in Klit era ( weak for western fans era ).
A.J beats up 39 y.o Pulev in 9 rounds.
"Overrated Wlad " by western fans opinion of course, had dealt with then Undefeated 33 y.o Pulev in 5 rounds when he was 38 years old " weak era " boxer.
This era really is cool with so " good " boxer that makes me fun.
There are not only these fights to evalue and compare for normal thinking ppl.
Povetkin for sure was not big champ, does this matters that their era was so weak if compare with current era?
There is funny reality: Povetkin had stopped then younger Takam in the same round as A.J had did with older Takam version.
Not only this, " bad era " Vitali being almost 1 handed and 40 years old had outboxed Chisora and after this is COOL era Chisora till today is used to fight with TOP10 ranked boxers.

Chisora had been used vs Haye after old over the hill Vitali had outboxed him while being almost 1 handed and 40 years old.
Now he later appeared still enough good opponent to prove how good boxers are: Fury, Haye, White, Parker, Usyk.
Definitely this era is better cos champs are for " better countries " and this tells me ALL about fans opinions about good or bad era.

Next fun, modern era champ A.J had cool success vs fighters who are 37+ with good names, could not finish nor Parker nor Ruiz and Ruiz appeared not able to finish 40 y.o Arreola, while ppl assumed that Ruiz will destroy Arreola easily.

This is old uncles and old big names beatup era.
For dudes like A.J, Fury too btw and also Wilder.
So cool era.
Fury at least fought vs Wilder.

Who so notable A.J had beated up?
Whyte who had been declared as top3 boxer and future cotender, had been sparked by 40 years 11 months old 224 lbs Povetkin.
It is shame for HW boxing not " better era " than Klits era.

More than this: modern top stars had beated up boxers already beated up by Vitali or Wlad or prime Povetkin. Or LOL, what a success, 38-39 and even older the same Pov or Wlad versions.
What a surprise, Fury and A.J are so SO great with so cool resumes.
Fury does have 39 y.o over the hill Wlad in resume and Wilder who had fought no one well known in europe boxer if not to mention Tyson Fury.

A lot of expamles with links to boxrec fight cards.



For real fans this does not matters: if champs are from proper countries, era is better and cool