George Foreman Vs Rocky Marciano

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  1. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    1 forward gear and 5 reverse......just like those WW2 Tanks.
     
  2. IHaveAscreenName804

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    George Foreman by knockout in maybe 20 seconds. If Marciano made it 30 seconds would Foreman it would be the biggest shock in the history of combat sports.
     
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  3. KidDynamite

    KidDynamite Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    See Foreman vs Frazier
     
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  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Marciano would fight so small that George would never find him.
     
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  5. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Marciano had too much heart for his own good.
    Unless the Rock runs, I have Foreman by KO in under 3 rounds.
     
  6. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I miss the good old days of Luigi1985 & CM. Clay II. :D
     
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  7. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    I was a long time lurker even before the crash that lost all the original posts from way back.

    It's such a shame we can't read that now as those two couldn't help themselves.
     
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  8. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This made me laugh out loud :lol:

    Chok's credibility up and jumped off a cliff long ago.
     
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  9. The Fighting Yoda

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    Of course, George Foreman would be the clear favourite as a big slugger with his tremendous power and his huge size and weight advantages. In theory, Foreman is something of a stylistic nightmare for Marciano, as he was for Frazier.

    I wouldn't exclude the possibility that a great Champion like Marciano at his best could win on any given night. When two great boxers fight each other, a lot is possible and every fight is different. If Marciano can survive somehow Foreman's bombs at the beginning his chances would grow from round to round. Foreman could get tired, his punches weaker, his pace would slow down and Marciano could close the distance more and more. Maybe he could overpower Foreman in the later rounds with his outstanding stamina, heart, relentless attacks and two-handed hitting power. It could be one of the greatest physical achievements ever in boxing.

    As already said, this scenario is rather unlikely. I wouldn't be too surprised though. All in all, I favour Foreman (80:20).
     
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  10. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King Full Member

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    You've been saying the exact same things for literally 8+ years.

    There is no "agenda". It's a fact Rocky has zero wins over a prime ranked opponent over 200 lbs. Clinging to a flabby gunshy old Joe Louis is one of the silliest things you've come up with in your long list of silly arguments. And no matter how many times people point out how weak this version of Louis was you continue to dig your heels in for going on a decade now.

    Rocky was an amazing fighter, truly great. But he is completely unproven against actual heavyweights over 200 lbs, plain and simple. I do not rate him highly at HW h2h for the simple fact he did not beat any true heavyweights h2h somehow after 49 fights. I think he might be the only HW champion in the history of boxing to have this distinction. Very puzzling indeed.
     
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  11. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Aha! Bump the old baiter threads!

    I wonder who bumped this one?



    Louis, whilst not his own prime, was as still as good as many prime ranked heavyweight over 200lbs. You guys put that “prime” bit in all the time. Just so you can say “Rocky never beat a prime ranked opponent over 200lb” just so Marciano can be eliminated from beating a modern sized heavyweight contender.

    Louis was beating real contenders and he wasn’t even as old as Larry Holmes was when he beat Ray mercer.

    How good was old, past prime Joe Louis? Well it is a fact he was good enough to beat Savold, Bivins and Cesar Brion. So he is a contender over 200lb. That’s a fact. He also beat Beshore and Savold within the limit that Marciano had.

    so at over 200lb joes doing everything Marciano was doing at that time.

    He’s no longer a great fighter. But he is legitimately a contender.
     
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  12. choklab

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    If George has it all his own way he beats anybody. Trouble is nobody has things their own way all the time. Levi Forte went the full distance with George and yet Jack Bodel and Dave zyglewicz had already knocked Forte out. Now, I am not suggesting Bodel and Ziggy hit harder than George Foreman but I am suggesting it is possible that Marciano is a bit harder to hit and takes a better punch on the choppers than Levi Forte.

    We all know George was a big man but first time around he was no bigger than Joe Louis was when Marciano beat him give or take one inch or 2 pounds.

    We all know Foreman destroyed aversion of Joe Frazier that suited him perfectly but Marciano was less conventional and had retired before he became quite as tired or visually impaired as Frazier had become by the time he fought George.

    Nobody knows what would happen if George Foreman and Marciano fought because it could not happen.

    Everybody is entitled to decide what they think could happen.

    I tend to feel that great fighters who proved awkward and hard to beat in real life deserve to also be regarded as awkward and hard to beat in fantasy match ups.
     
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  13. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I'm your huckleberry, that's just mah game Full Member

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    Foreman would deal with Marciano in the same way he dealt with Frazier, punishing the low crouching Marciano at range with his stunning jab, pushing him off with both hands or pulling him forward with open gloves then spinning him off balance when he got too close, and generally mauling and bludgeoning Marciano while stuffing Rocky's own offense with his arms out defensive manoeuvres that keep him in a forced semi-crouch and frame him for Foreman's uppercuts and bodyshots. If Marciano were quicker I'd give him a slightly (slightly) better chance, but stylistically he's just completely ill-suited to fighting a man like Foreman.

    Talk about Marciano's toughness and heart all you like but anyone seriously picking the Rock needs to come up with an extremely compelling argument for how he deals with any of the above, because this is about as cut and dry as it gets.
     
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  14. Glass City Cobra

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    That's nice.

    When people say prime they are usually referring to fighters in their 20's, early 30's is pushing it. Louis was neither. No one is trying to make the criteria difficult or impossible, it's been that way for decades. They usually aren't referring to guys pushing 40 with more than 60 fights, a receding hairline, and who are too gunshy to pull the trigger.

    200 lbs is actually me being generous considering 205 is considered cruiserweight. The bar has been set low as it is.

    It is not my fault you want to ignore commonly accepted criteria. Even writers with old school bias like Bert Sugar and Nat Fleischer admit Louis was old and shopworn. They literally made a movie in response to Rocky beating Louis to remind people "that wasn't the real Louis"--yet here you are trying to alter history.

    I am not interested in a back and forth long drawn out debate with you. You lack the objectivity, honesty, and intellectual capacity to do so.

    Let me know when there is footage of Rocky beating a prime 200+ pound ranked fighter. Until then, I do not rate him h2h at HW. Deal with it.
     
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  15. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    IMHO, It's not George's weight that's the problem for the Rock. (I can't see him having much of a problem with many over 200 pounders.) It's more a styles thing. And George probably hit as hard as any Heavyweight in history. I won't hazard a guess as to how long the Rock can last. (That would probably depend on who the referee was.) I would certainly expect a Foreman win, though, head to head