Don C lol he was prime and ranked 205 pounder. Your words...Layne was only a few pounds off as was Walcott. Both were strong men for their size. Funny how no one complains about Quarry’s and Patterson’s size. Far as the size queen argument goes can only Go by his record against men 200 plus which is 11-0 with 11 KOs. Seemed weight wasn’t an issue. That being said I pick Foreman for this matchup as I did in previous posts.
Don C's fatass started off as a super middle weight. Are you serious? He was a tub of lard and not a natural heavyweight at all.
Layne was notoriously weak and underconditioned. Dempsey left his consult because he thought the beetfarmer to be too weak and had zero inclination to train hard. Cockell was a lightheavy with a glandular condition. There was nothing strong about him. Do you really want the compare the strength of these two doughboys to Norton or Lyle or Chuvalo? Not even the same stratosphere. They could fight a hundred times and George would KO Rocky each and every time.
Your words were prime hw over 200 and ranked. He fits every criteria. As to how good he was is up for debate (wasn’t a terrible fighter had some good wins). If you think he’s fat can’t imagine what you think of today’s fighters. I too believe he was fat but by today’s standards he’s thin.
Remember when Norton was blown out by a blown up LHW? Anyways if you actually read my thread I said Foreman would Win. I would also wager Rocky was stronger then all three mentioned. Don’t take my word for it take men like Louis and Moore’s word. Claim he was the strongest man bar none they ever stepped in a ring with. Foreman is all wrong for Rocky though. Layne was lazy but obviously a very dangerous opponent. Lots of fighters are lazy. Bonavena was lazy, Wilder is lazy, etc doesn’t make them not quality opponents
He wasn't a natural heavyweight. He literally started his career roughly the size of Canelo. If a fat Don C and a 37 year old Louis are the best examples you can provide then there is nothing to discuss. Rocky is the ONLY HW champ I can think of who has such a glaring lack of prime 200 pound fighters. I don't think this is a coincidence. Al Weil was a very crafty match maker. Rocky did what he was supposed to do and fought everyone they put in front of him but I get the feeling his team wasn't overly confident in his ability to fight large skilled opponents. You don't find it odd Dempsey, Louis, even Max Baer and other champs before Rocky fought plenty of prime 200 pound fighters?
You said Foreman would win. I said Foreman would win 100 out of 100 times. There's the difference. These two fighters are not in the same league. Marciano was not nearly as strong as Foreman. Where does Louis claim that Marciano's strength was greater than Primo's or Buddy Baer's or even Max Baer's? Layne was a lazy doughboy who lacked physical strength. That was Dempsey's specific complaint, that Layne was not strong enough and wasn't willing to do anything about it. Wilder is not lazy, or at least was not up until getting his balloon popped by Fury.
To be fair who was there for him to fight that would have calmed your argument? Valdez who had already racked up a ton of losses? You would be saying how he wasn’t prime or very good to begin with. Man had a chance to get to Marciano but lost to Moore in an eliminator. Bob Baker? He was gonna get a shot out of desperation. He wasn’t looked at as a threat and himself had already lost to several fighters. Excuses would have been made there as well. Moore was a far better contender then most have on their resumes. Rocky essentially beat the man who beat the men. I do wish he would have fought Baker though he would have won and probably quieted some of these silly arguments. There wasn’t any good big men for him to fight at the time the little men ruled the day. I also don’t think the camp worries to much about size 11-0 w 11 KOs is pretty telling that it wasn’t a problem. That being said maybe you’re right and they did avoid but there is no proof of that
Wilders a lazy bum who refuses to learn his craft. Crazy you would even argue that. What’s the difference between saying he would win or win 100 out of a 100? Kind of a silly argument. You just love pooping on the man (can’t curse anymore). Layne was just as good a contender as any though with a record to back it up. Louis made many statements as to Rocky’s strength for look them up yourself I know you know them already. And you didn’t argue Moore’s statement. Whom fought loads of 200 plus pounders and shws.
You can swear, you just can't bypass the filters by saying stuff like $hit or s h i t. This will get you banned.
Yeah took my first beating (suspension) not to long ago. Lol. Don’t want to chance it. I deserved it though not complaining. Lesson learned
I'm aware there weren't tons of skilled big men in that era. I'm not penalizing Rocky for not facing men who weren't available. My argument is simply this: Other than Don C and an old Louis we have absolutely no film of Rocky facing ranked men over 200 lbs so it's quite the stretch to think he could hang with modern sized skilled big men. Especially someone like Foreman whose basically the equivalent of like 4 weight classes above Rocky with a significant advantage in reach and height. We already agree Rocky would lose that matchup so no need to elaborate. We've disagreed on many things, but you're actually one of the more reasonable Rocky fans, some people think he would just easily get past the jab of super heavies and knock them out without struggling. I just can't rate him against people who are far above 200 without actually seeing him be effective against men that size. We can't use fighters like Roy Jones or Chris Byrd as examples since they had totally different styles. I give him the benefit of the doubt against C level super heavies like say Chris Areola or Derek Chisora for example, but against the elite big men there simply isn't enough data/footage to make an argument in his favor in my opinion.
