Is Golovkin an All Time Great ?

Canelo fought at 165 before he fought GGG, because he had never stepped in the ring for a real 12 round fight at middleweight, and mind you it was just to just shut JCC Jr up. Meanwhile GGG was bullying all the 160 fighters with his "monstrous power" flaunting a KO percentage that made historical comparisons with the past middleweight. Whos the weight bully here? Canelo is all tall MARCO ANTONIO BARRERA, and somehow hes bullying all big middleweights and super middleweights GGG had a historical middleweight career--until Canelo came in town and established that there's a new sheriff in town, about to make history in 3 divisions , and 2 of those divisons GGG never dared to step in because he knew where his limit of greatness was. Now that all the bums of middleweight he used to beat on are gone he's stuck in a division with REAL sharks all around him.

 

So you admit he fought at a higher weight than 160 in his fight prior to Golovkin, this is good.

Now stop this “smaller fighter” nonsense.

If he wanted to test the middleweight waters above his imaginary division of 155 then he could have just fought there, nobody was clamouring for a JCC jr fight, not even Mexicans.

 

Thats not a very good use of contexts. Smaller fighter to GGG, Canelo was. Shorter in height and reach, and smaller in size naturally by body and weight. Does Canelo fighting JCC jr at 165 somehow make him the overall bigger fighter than GGG and even JCC Jr himself? I don't think you've ever lived in Mexico so how can you assume that the Mexican media wasn't wanting a fight between them for years? Canelo was naturally smaller than GGG no matter what narrative you want to go by.

 

You completely expose yourself with this statement as having no clue what you're talking about.

 

You got that right, GGG was the man of the division until Canelo came to town. Canelo took over that division and left GGG in the dust.

 

Smaller in stature but certainly not size, if you are going to use “height” as the determining factor of size then you are the only person in the world who isn’t 10 to go that route (Canelo has a 1/2 inch reach advantage at 70.5 accosting a certain boxing record website, so you are wrong there).

Canelo weighed in heavier in his fight previous to the Golovkin fight and his fight night weights iirc for Lara was 171, Angelo 174, so he’s not small as GGG doesn’t even blow up to 174 on fight night.

Nice try though.

Oh and again nobody was asking for the Canelo v the Mexican bobble head at super middleweight.

 

Why?

 

On 2 fronts. First you weren't aware of the Mexican rivalry between Canelo and Chavez Jr and the desire to make that fight. Second you claimed that Canelo fought Jr at Super Middleweight suggesting that it was Canelo who wanted to fought above Middleweight. The only reason that fight was above the Middleweight limit is because Jr couldn't make Middleweight.

 

I’m aware of no rivalry between a champion at 154 and a bonafide MexiCAN in JCC jr who had been on a journeyman run since quitting against Fonfara. Why would there be any desire for the fight bar ripping fanboys like you off?

He gives up a belt because he’s not grown into 160, to win a belt at 154 against a weak champion to then jump 10lbs to face another weak fighter.

There was no clamour for the fight, the fight was a dud and predictably one sided.

 

Yes.....he,s still undefeated in my book....

 

Yes
Starting with his amateur career which was off the hook. The brutal KO of Bute had him absolutely not knowing where he was.
In his pro career no one wanted to mess with him til he got old. He had slipped by the Jacob's fight. He had trouble landing the rt hand by then and wasnt cutting the ring off properly anymore and neglected the body. On a side note I liked his style more when he was fighting in Europe. I feel Sanchez made him more one dimensional.

 

20 title defenses (18) by KO. NINE KO'S over Ring magazine top 10 contenders, all in devastating fashion. The first 17 title defenses were by KO before his first super fight with Canelo. He is a great fighter for sure, a Hall of famer for sure.

The double robberies are a gift that keeps on giving.

 

Two of the strangest boxers to compare him against, sorry mate, it’s well weird. Not only that, neither of them dominated their division for 10 years, neither dominant champions. It’s off the scale odd imo

 

That's a very interesting observation. I wonder if there were talks about keeping his original trainer when he moved to America and what led to him deciding to commit to Sanchez. Is it possible that his original Europe trainer didn't want to move to America?

 

Not even close.

And we all know what the HOF is worth these days.