How the Shoulder Roll fails Mayweather against Canelo and why it doesn't really work as a strategy.

Well he made some interesting points, highlighted a lot of shots that Canelo landed with Floyd on the ropes, both body and head, that are hard to see in real-time like when Mayweather was pulling back and still getting hit. But what really sticks out is how far Floyd was dipping down. Surely you can't deny that Pimp, you know boxing inside and out. You know that's illegal, but Floyd was able to get away with it all night.

You know what it reminded me of, is Ward Kovalev 2, people accused Ward of hitting Kovalev low and if you remember, I always pointed out that Kovalev was in like a fetal position dipped down so low. How was Ward supposed to land a legal shot with Kovalev in that position? There was no target and Weeks didn't call for a break. People to this day still accuse Ward of fighting dirty and hitting Kovalev low but never mention how Kovalev dipped down below Ward's waist right before that final blow. That was nothing compared to how low Mayweather was dipping down against Canelo. Mayweather upper body was damn near Canelo's knees at one point lol. And this video did a great job of freeze framing it at that moment so everybody can see it. Not even so much as a warning from Bayless.

 

I've never seen a fighter warned for defensively dipping below the waist. It's simply tolerated as part of the sport.

 

That’s an often ignored fact. He switched between the high guard and shoulder roll effectively throughout a fight. His jab to the head and body to go along with his footwork always lull his opponents into fighting at a much slower pace. Then when they attempt to pick up the pace fatigue has set in while Floyd is still fighting like it’s the 1st rd. Those reasons are why Broner or Berto couldn’t emulate his style when they tried because they were simply stuck at the shoulder roll and were unable to do the rest.

 

That's true but I don't think there's many examples of a fighter dipping as low as Mayweather did against Canelo. I mean it's one thing when the head is about level with the belt-line or but Mayweather was dipping down well below the belt-line there.

Against Hatton in Round 2, Cortez called timeout twice, both times were a result of Mayweather dipping down below the waist, the first time with 1:58 on the clock, Floyd dipped down low and Hatton proceeded to put Floyd in a headlock. So while Cortez didn't specifically warn Mayweather about dipping down low he did scold both fighters for general roughhouse tactics, which was directed at Hatton for getting him in a headlock, that was created because Mayweather dipped down so low.

Here's a topic that discussed Mayweather ducking down below the beltline all the way back in 2009.

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/why-is-mayweather-allowed-to-duck-below-the-beltline.170683/

The screencaps referenced there are expired but that topic was created right after Floyd fought Marquez so I'm guessing Floyd dipped below the waist a lot against Marquez. Now I'm gonna have to rewatch that match to see how often Floyd did that vs JMM and how extreme it was.

 

Watching the fight live, i saw the shoulder roll being highly effective against Canelo. That video proves nothing, and isnt a topic to discuss as there was no controversy other than the bogus scorecard from C .J.

 

I could only last a minute watching this garbage. This commentator DKSAB.

 

money shoulder roll 50, competition zero that includes canelo.

 

He also used his feet. Broner was much more static when trying to shoulder roll.

It's clearly an excellent technique if you have the talent of Floyd or Toney, but not many do.

 

LOL, the same fighters are active today. He only retired 6 years ago. That's jokes.

 

Canelo is a great fighter. probably atg.

He does not have the skill of mayweather, toney, sweetpea, pep, or Ali.

Just leave it at that. trying to degrade other fighters to lift your boy up while hugging his nuts. its just plain wrong.

 

It doesn't sucks, this needs specific type of athlete.
More than about shoulder roll high number of boxers had attempted to emulate Ali from 60 ies without knowing how good reflexes and especially how fast legs for his weight he then had.
A lot of fighters had been stopped in the ring, dropped or beated up till wide UD in both : amateur and pro fights when they had attempted to play : Ali from 60 ies.
Even for Ali from 70 ies this did not had ended well and he changed his style, btw also as dirty boxer : people love to accuse Wlad as dirty and not recognise how dirty boxer was Ali from 70 ies: holding, clinches and mauling. LoL.
He was slower and not the same God he was in 60 ies.

Peek a bo too had been considered as difficult and maybe useless despite Patterson's high success in amateur and pro ranks.
Until Tyson era. Appeared peek a bo does work damn well if athlete is suitable for this style.

Yeah, shoulder roll is vulnerable if opponents throws hooks and still this is good stuff for a lot of reasons.
Peek a bo too isn't ideal, this doesn't matters that this does not work.

 

you're a shocker, you really are.
but you're not alone on this forum.

 

I think the most effective shot against the shoulder roll is the looping overhand as demonstrated by Maidana