John Conteh, an overrated or underrated champion?

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  1. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I would say that John gets given his just dues on this site. One of my favourite boxers of all time. Sublime skills,controlled aggression and a vicious puncher. I find myself always saying that had Conteh not had any "Out of the ring" distractions and he'd remained injury free,we'd be talking about him as one of the greatest 175 lb men of all time. Alongside your Fosters,Spinks',Conns and Moores. His potential was that good.
     
  2. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    In the boxing world over all he is highly regarded.He maybe underrated on this forum but for me John was an excellent fighter who unfortunately suffered with fragile hands.Should and could have achieved so much more
     
  3. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I do agree that John Conteh was a very good fighter as evidenced in his brutal knockout of Len Hutchins in March 1977, TKO 3. But besides fragile hands, politics dealt him a bad hand. It was put to Conteh this way, he would have to fight mandatory WBC challenger Miguel Angel Cuello of Argentina, in Monte Carlo, Monaco, on May 21 1977 , if he won, he would be obligated to fight the winner of the Rodrigo Valdes vs Carlos Monzon rematch scheduled for July 30 1977, same venue, Monte Carlo. John was boxed in by politics, the fans preferred to see Conteh unify with WBA Champion Victor Galindez of Argentina. That is why the CBS Sports Spectaculer commentators that day, Jerry Quarry and Tom Brookshire at the Jesse Burnett vs Miguel Angel Cuello title bout for the vacant WBC Light Heavyweight, held up a placard which read, No Monte Says Conteh. Monzon vs Conteh, late 1977? Then Hagler vs Valdes on the undercard for the vacant title.
     
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  4. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker Full Member

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    I guess it's a matter of how you rate him ... if it's as a great fighter , I disagree ... if it's as a very good fighter, for sure ..
     
  5. Rafaman

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    Reading that list. What a murders row of excellent fighters! Bob Foster and RJJ would have earnt at least once loss facing that line up.
     
  6. Stevie G

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    I'm also one of the many who thought that John was short changed by the judges in the Mate Parlov fight. Even though it was n't John at his best,he'd done enough to win in my book.

    Conteh was going slowly downhill by this time but a year later he looked the best he had for ages in the first Saad Muhammad bout. Shame he ran out of gas in the last few rounds. The rematch displayed that Conteh had nothing left. John's chin also started to fail him in his last few bouts unfortunately.
     
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  7. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker Full Member

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    I think Jones loses to Spinks, Qwai and Mustafa for sure ... that was thew best age of light heavyweights I watched in real time ..
     
  8. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I too felt Conteh deserved the Parlov decision. My card and what I wrote below.

    Round 1: 10-9 Conteh
    Round 2: 10-9 Parlov
    Round 3: 10-9 Conteh
    Round 4: 10-9 Parlov
    Round 5: 10-9 Parlov
    Round 6: 10-9 Conteh
    Round 7: 10-10 Even
    Round 8: 9-9 Even (I felt Conteh's round but he lost a point for use of the head)
    Round 9: 10-9 Parlov
    Round 10:10-9 Conteh
    Round 11:10-9 Conteh
    Round 12:10-9 Conteh
    Round 13:10-9 Conteh
    Round 14: ?? Round missing
    Round 15: 9-9 Even (Conteh's round but lost a point for use of the elbow)

    With the missing round my tally was 134-131 for Conteh. Even if I gave the 14th to Parlov we would be looking at 143-141 for Conteh. Parlov's style is a slapping open-handed right jab but he used it liberally, so you have to separate those point-getters from the power shots of Conteh. Tough loss for Conteh.
     
  9. johnmaff36

    johnmaff36 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Conteh held his own in an era thats arguably in the top 2 or 3 for lightheavies. I think hes a cracking fighter but just didnt live the life of one.
     
  10. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think he was certainly a skilled boxer but he gets overrated on more what could have been then what he actually achieved.
     
  11. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don’t think he’s overrated he was a very good and stylish all round fighter who had a relatively short prime. In that prime though I believe he was a problem for anyone.
    Even past prime he gave Saad all the trouble he could handle in their 1st fight and if they hadn’t cheated by basically using cement to close the cut he would have had a stoppage win over Saad on his resume.
     
  12. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    In his prime a brilliant textbook boxer but his out of the ring lifestyle made for a very short prime
     
  13. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What do you feel was his best performance?
     
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  14. johnmaff36

    johnmaff36 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ask bruce forsyths wife :)
     
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  15. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There were two in my book, the title winning bout against Jorge Ahumada on Oct 1 1974 in London, England and the TKO 3 title defense against Len Hutchins who went 13 rounds against Victor Galindez in Dec 1974. He looked fluid and quick.