Did more people believe Fury won the first Wilder fight after the second fight was over?

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  1. UFC2020

    UFC2020 Active Member Full Member

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    Lol Wilder should kick himself, that was a very rusty weight drained Fury and he did not capitalize. Fury came ready in the rematch
     
  2. jmb1356

    jmb1356 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I always thought Fury was robbed in the first fight. Wilder fans can go on and on about how he was KO'ed and "long counts." If that were true, Fury wouldn't have been able to get up and take it to Wilder the rest of the round like he did. KO means you can't continue any longer.
     
  3. RingKing

    RingKing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fury was robbed in Fury vs Wilder I. No, if's, and's, or but's about it. Just like GGG was robbed in GGG vs Clenelo I.
     
  4. snake33

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    If Fury had not been knocked down in the 12 it would have been a clear definitive win.
    And a lot less dramatic and heroic.
    He was and a draw was then feasible.
    Fury has a lot more heart than Wilder. Wilder lost the rest of the 12th. He should have been dominating and finishing him off.
    But he couldn't. That speaks volumes.
     
  5. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just like? The two matches were nothing alike. Trying to equate these two matches makes no sense whatsoever. One had 2 knockdowns but most rounds were one-sided in favor of the guy who was knocked down, the other had no knockdowns but most rounds were highly competitive and hard to score.

    Apparently Canelo GGG 1 still needs hammering home, still a lot of delusional GGG fanboys trying to turn that into some kind of a robbery. GGG struggled mightily against Canelo and was very lucky to get that draw the first time. He deserved to lose, he only was allowed to keep his belt due to him being GGG and the hype he had coming in which caused two judges to give him a bunch of close rounds for trying really hard and throwing a lot of punches. It's a bunch of BS, you don't win rounds just by throwing a lot of punches. The better, cleaner punches were landed by Canelo in most of the rounds. GGG did not deserve the draw, let alone a win. He got lucky. You should be thanking your lucky stars that he doesn't have two official L's to Canelo rather than still crying about it.
     
  6. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Some of my quotes from the Fury/Wilder 1 RBR.
     
  7. Jackman65

    Jackman65 FJB Full Member

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    I always take the opinion of a hardcore Clenelo pickle smoocher over the opinion of 80% of ringside viewers and my own eyes. GGG clearly won that first fight and Canelo was given a gift draw. You can try to rationalize it or spin it any way you wish. It doesn’t change the reality of what happened. Canelo has gone on to win some big fights since then but he lost the first GGG fight. A lot of people made big money as a result and made it clear that corruption is still strongly in the DNA of pro boxing. Fans like you help to ensure it’s not going away any time soon.
     
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  8. Sean weir

    Sean weir Active Member Full Member

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    Everyone thought Fury won the first fight, right after the first fight. Anyone that says otherwise is lying.
     
  9. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The reality of what happened was that it was declared a draw. That's the reality. You might think GGG won, I might think Canelo won. But neither of those opinions of who we thought won are what the reality was. The reality was neither man won, so GGG winning isn't reality, lets get that straight. GGG never beat Canelo. That's the reality that you're struggling with apparently. I'm just pointing out that GGG deserved to lose and was lucky to get a draw.

    If you go by total judge points, the final tally was : Canelo 345, GGG 339. So that's Canelo with 6 more points than GGG. I know this pains you, but that's the reality. You can't redefine the reality for what you want it to be. Canelo deserved to win with that many more total points, GGG just had 2 judges in his pocket giving him enough close rounds so he could keep his belt. Such corruption there. But the draw was a blessing in disguise, because the tie breaker was the rematch where GGG got his ass kicked and Canelo emerged victorious.
     
  10. Jackman65

    Jackman65 FJB Full Member

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    80% of ringside boxing writers and experts of the sport disagree with your assessment of the first fight. They should check with you to improve their understanding of the sport. Spin it any way you wish, it’s your right. It’s cool that you are a fan of Canelo and your lack of objectivity is understandable. Keep spinning it, reality doesn’t change.

    In fairness, Adalaide Byrd strongly agrees with your assessment. She is no doubt, a fair and knowledgeable pro boxing judge. Right?
     
  11. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm not spinning anything. You're the one spinning something citing boxing writer %s. Boxing writers or fan polls don't determine the reality of boxing results. Official judges do. Canelo scored more points on judges cards in both matches with GGG.
     
  12. Jackman65

    Jackman65 FJB Full Member

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    Yep, fair judges like Adalaide Byrd. No corruption in boxing, move along. Nothing to see here. I’m not even a hardcore fan of GGG. Just a guy who hates corruption and bad decisions. Like the first Canelo GGG fight.
     
  13. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I dislike corruption as well. It was corrupt as hell that GGG was given a draw by having two judges in his pocket after being outboxed as he was. But you didn't see me crying about it or screaming robbery now did you.
     
  14. Jackman65

    Jackman65 FJB Full Member

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    You weren’t crying because your guy was given a gift. Canelo clearly lost that fight. It’s obvious you are delusional so I’ll stop this back and forth. The 20% of people who are on your side feel just as strongly. All the best to you guys.
     
  15. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If anyone was given a gift it was GGG. He had the belts and with the draw retained his titles. You sound a little confused. Canelo scored 6 more points with the judges. GGG just had those 2 judges in his pocket so he couldn't lose those belts.

    None of the judges had GGG winning clearly in that first match. 115-113, 114-114 are far from clear winning scores. Those are suspicious scores if you're looking for corruption. Judges who engage in corruption wouldn't produce a score like 118-110 that's far too obvious for it to be corruption. Real corruption involves keeping the score as close as possible so not to set off any alarm bells whilst producing a desired result.