Jean Pascal tests positive for several banned substances, Badou Jack fight is off

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yes, good reasoning. It does not matter if that's cheating and is forbidden, since everybody does it and a lot of them dont get caught, then we cant complain. We only can shut our freaking mouths up.

You look like a smart guy, man.

 

It's not an all or nothing scenario. You'd be naive to believe that everyone that takes PEDs gets caught, but it's harder to get away with being on something today than ever before. Surely there are plenty of clean fighters in the sport. I never understand why you would say that "everyone is massively abusing steroids". That's an extreme position. Fighters take a lot of supplements, and a fighter would be an idiot to take a supplement with a banned substance in it if they know they'll be drug tested. But no, everyone is not massively abusing steroids. Fighters of course will do everything they can to try and get in the best condition possible. But if they get caught, they lose their opportunity to fight, it's a big set back, so drug testing acts as a pretty steep deterrent. If there's no reasonable explanation as to how a PED got into their system after they popped, they deserve to pay a price for their mistake. But lets not hang a fighter out to dry until we know the full story, and lets definitely not assume everybody is massively abusing steroids, at the same time lets not be navie to think that everyone who doesn't pop is absolutely clean. Drug testing isn't a fail proof system, but it is harder to get away with taking something these days than ever before.

 

Mayweather though was the fighter who called for more stringent drug testing in the sport way back when. But maybe since his fight with Logan Paul is only an exhibition, maybe he or Logan are not subject to drug testing since it's not an official match, though knowing Mayweather, I'm guessing it still would be and he would insist on it since he's all about everyone being on an even playing field. If Jean thought that drug testing wouldn't be as stringent because the main event on the card he's fighting on was an exhibition, that's his mistake but I doubt he would be led to believe that.

 

There is no way he would accidentally pop for Trenbolone and Masteron. Weird compound choice nonetheless by a combat athlete who values cardio.

 

Lmao ... did anyone really think his Indian summer was just hard work & dedication? & ppl still think Canelo is fighting LHWs because of all the smoothies he drinks too .. if men like Pascal are jacked like race horses imagine the lengths the cash cows are going to LOL

 

Canelo fans think he's clean

 

Mexican Beef!!!!!!! A Chicano delicacy!!! And after that, wash it all down with a tasty cerveza!

 

Unfortunately for Jean it doesn't appear that meat contamination is a legit possibility here.

 

It's hard to know what's true. Clearly there are fighters who age naturally, get injured and recover slower each time, and have physiques that wouldn't look out of shape pre-steroids.

On the other hand, there are always new substances and ways to get around testing. They could be clean or just clever.

 

One of the biggest problems on this board is that you can you just tell by reading here that over 90% of peopleon here never trained boxing or any other highly athletic sport for that matter and have no practical knowledge of literally anything, all they to do is talking to morons like them.
You can take as many supplements with banned substances as you wish, As long as you have a solid plan to pass the test you will be good to go you can either just stop Taking drugs all together shortly before the test or you can take other substances that will wash up the results to such an extent that you cannot tell if the banned substance was used or not.
And even if you aren’t too precise with your prediction when the test is going to be you still have a decent chance of passing it the only true way to guarantee that fighters are not using PED’s would be to do very high frequency of testing where you can be 100% sure that the athlete and his team don’t know the test is coming at a random moment and that is also impossible since I’m very sure that information seeks through when is the test is going to happen.
And even then fighters can always abuse steroids that are not on the banned list since it takes very long for governing bodies to ban those Substances too. It’s like with EPO the most famous endurance drug, it was banned and then countless different variants of it where designed and people abused those without even doing something illegal.

 

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So you have no problem with any drug cheats? Or are people morons if a fighter you like gets caught?

 

I just can't stand the virtue signaling. Like when a fighter pops, these armchair idiots come on here and try to kick a man when they're down without knowing jack **** about what happened, and double down on it every chance they get. We still have clowns like tinman talking about Mexican beef, like it's some big joke when we know full well there's a contaminatd meat problem in Mexico which fully accounts how that happened with Canelo. We have a fighter like Canelo who has done everything possible to prove he's clean and yet most of this board still believes with all their heart that he's a walking pharmacy, despite being one of the most rigorously tested athletes in the sport. It's an absolute clown show on here.

Now with Jean, he pops with stuff that apparently can't be blamed on meat contamination, so beyond the trolling and trying to relate this all back to Canelo, I still want to hear the full story about what happened, because Jean deserves that much. And any fighter who pops whether it be a Billy Joe Saunders with the nasal spray or Fury with his laughable excuse that he consumed wild boar testicles, his delusional fanboys actually buy that BS lmao, but at every opportunity act like Canelo eating contaiminated meat in Mexico is somehow so far fetched. I have no doubt that Fury used the wild boar testicles excuse just to piggyback off of the contaminated meat excuse. Problem is there isn't a well documented meat contamination problem in his country. Posters on here just love to move the goal posts and troll to a ridiculous degree to try to protect the fighters they root for and go after the fighters they can't stand. Problem is it won't work, not with someone like me who calls out people's BS and don't let people get away with trying to play pretend and make **** up.

And I'm not saying it's OK for fighters to take banned substances, but I'm firmly against blood testing, I don't think it's appropriate. Pacquiao has made it very clear that having his blood drawn weakened him vs Morales and it appeared to do the same to him vs Floyd. It's not OK for blood testing to be so overbearing that it causes fighters to perform poorly on the night and we don't get the best version of fighters out of fear of a fighter being on something. That's a line that should never be crossed in my mind.

But random urine testing, absolutely, even if a fighter can beat the test and get in a banned substance here and there, it's not the end of the world. Random urine testing even if you beat the test, it's still acting as a deterrent so you have to be very careful what you take and when. This idea that people have that fighters just have free reign to be on PEDs all the time is just downright mad. If fighters are able to beat the random tests, or take stuff before they sign fights, that's still much different than actually being on something that gives you a big advantage on the night. And you still have to train, eat right etc.

Like you said, people on here who aren't involved in the sport have no idea what it's like to train and take supplements and have to trust their team and their nutritionists on what they are taking and if it's legal. Fighters aren't dummies but they are focused on their diet and training schedule, and generally they have to trust the people around them for making sure what they're taking is on the up and up. Now that doesn't mean we can't get suspicious of a fighter who may be on something, but there has to be real reasons to have such suspicions and not just BS fanboy trollng and trying to kick a man when he's down when in many cases a fighter is just trying to train hard in the gym, eat right take the right supplements so he can be the best he can be on the night. And in Jean's case, as bad as this looks, I'm not going to judge him until we hear the full story.

 

No clenbuterol? Clenelo must have bought up the entire supply.