Will Usyk Joshua have honest Judges? (Poll)

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Will Usyk get the UD if he earns it?

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  1. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Forget the cards. I smell a British Stoppage incoming. Usyk will partially block a left hook and retreat, Joshua will move in and throw 20 punches, landing two. The limp wristed obese ref will run between the fighters flailing his arms with his "OH THE HUMANITY" look and give Usyk a big hug. "You gave it a go against the best ever" he'll tell Usyk.

    Joshua will insist the crowd gives Usyk a standing ovation for being a True Champion. The scorecards will reveal Usyk to be the first fighter to somehow have negative points on the judges score cards. Joshua will call out the winner of Fury-Wilder but not fight either of them for at least two more years.
     
  2. DerpDiDerp

    DerpDiDerp New Member Full Member

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    Hard to imagine that the judging will be neutral let's be honest. Could be they've been bought, incentivised, or just succumb to the hometown vibe in the stadium.

    Usyk and he's team seem intelligent and pragmatic; I don't necessarily think the added weight Usyk has put on is to specifically KO AJ, I suspect it's to have more impact and durability. All his movement, angles, and activity loses a lot of steam if he can't effect Joshua- I think it's to make sure he lands with authority, allowing him to amp the pressure and push his tempo as the fight goes on. I think that they think they can take the rounds better that way.
     
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  3. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    True - however, his style relying on speed and reflexes makes the effects of aging more impactful on him... If you're a Joyce and don't rely on speed or reflexes then it hurts your ability to win fights a lot less.

    Usyk at HW hasn't been completely convincing so far, and his age and the additional weight clearly impacting his speed is part of that I think - I'd love him to pull it off, there's just enough doubts for me that I can't honestly back him.
     
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  4. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    You're very naïve. Bellew won one round legitimately against undisputed cruiserweight champion Usyk but was given three with one even by one British judge and three with three even by another at the time of the KO. The corruption was blatant and scandalous. Then bear in mind that Bellew isn't even in the same universe as cash cow media darling AJ and what is by far the most lucrative fight in boxing wasn't potentially just around the corner then. Usyk will never win a decision on the cards, AJ isn't bad enough to be outlanded 10:1 and Usyk can still get KO'd or knocked down. Only Usyk's enemies or delusional fools would advocate a point-fighting gameplan for this.

    "The only way Usyk wins this is by boxing"

    Yeah you're right. Celtic-Nigerian AJ has an iron chin, unlimited gas tank and is mentally tough as nails, would never quit when the going got tough. Oh wait...I'm thinking of Joe Joyce, not the guy who got splattered, gassed out and made to quit by an obese super middleweight.
     
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  5. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sure if Bellew had walked on his foot till end of fight, I think he had won on cards. Wide decision win for Bellew vs Usyk in U.K for sure.
     
  6. N17

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    Well that attitude may well suit some fans but doesn't do Usyk any good does it?

    AJ "loses" and goes on to fight for the undisputed earning 100 million and Usyk can sit at home knowing we all know he won.
     
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  7. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    I know, but it happens. Look at Fury in the first fight with Wilder. If he had got the decision he deserved, we'd be having the undisputed fight right now, there'd be no 2nd or 3rd wilder fight.

    I suppose that strengthens your point, but unfortunately it just happens.
     
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  8. snake33

    snake33 Active Member Full Member

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    Usyk will not make it to the 12th round. He has not shown any indication that he can compete
    at the highest level in the heavyweight division.
    Fine, AJ blipped against Ruiz but that was a fluke. AJ won't need a fix to win this.
    He'll have trouble with Fury (or maybe Wilder) but otherwise no.
     
  9. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What I'm figuring Usyk and his team have decided with their 'build muscle mass strategy" is based on the following evidence:-

    1) Ruiz demonstrating clearly if it wasn't already apparent that Joshua is vulnerable when tagged and really doesn't like it when he stopped him @ MSG
    2) Wlad should have closed the show againts Aj after the KD in round 6 if he had went for it more rather than following Vitali's instructions to calm down and not go all out. Bad move, as AJ got a 2nd wind late.
    3) Since the Ruiz defeat, Joshua has not looked comfortable at all getting tagged, both had him looking mighty anxious at times
    4) Even before the defeat by Ruiz, AJ did not look great against Parker or Takam.

    I figure that Usyk (who has bags of confidence), thinks:-
    1) I'm better than Ruiz, Parker, Pulev and Takam - if Ruiz can do some damage on AJ, then so can I.
    2) I'm getting stiffed on the cards, even if I win 8-4 or whatever. I need to take it out of their hands
    3) I've never been in trouble or knocked down before, no robot, half gas-tank bodybuilder is gonna stop me

    The logic may be sound in theory, but I think it has a few flaws:-

    1) Joshua's safety first approach since Ruiz poses some problems for Usyk to solve, and I'm not sure more muscle / less mobility is the best solution here.
    2) Ruiz is regarded as pretty heavy-handed, Usyk is not; of course his style would generally mean him not sitting down on his punches so maybe that is a factor. Sitting down on his punches hugely increases the risk of getting tagged big by Joshua. Can Usyk take one of his uppercuts like against Wlad? Doubtful
    3) More muscle, burns up more oxygen, and IMO upsets Usyk's real gift which is that pouring on of pressure where his tempo just keeps increasing. Usyk usually seems fresher in round 12 than in round 1, and I fear this approach will severely limit his effectiveness in the later rounds - maybe moot if it doesn't get to there of course.
    4) It seems decidedly risky for an elite talent to essentially tear up the book that made him elite and "try out a different approach" in the biggest fight of his life. On paper the chances of that being effective is slim to none in my book.

    Regards the scoring, I think the Usyk that defeated Briedis and de-fanged a fearsome puncher in Gassiev, had a great shout at stopping a gassed Joshua late.

    This 230lbs+ Usyk? I have no idea as I've never seen that fighter, and have no idea what his gameplan is going to be or how effective he will be in it as there is no history to look back on and extrapolate from.

    I'd love to be wrong, but I feel this strategy plays right into Joshua's strengths, and throws away Usyk's own.
     
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  10. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There was good improvement as Aj never showed he could move laterally and fight behind a jab 100%. Ruiz is a gatekeeper but what at least made him dangerous for Aj was his quick hands at mid-close range so for Aj to completely change up his style and dominate an agressive opponent that stopped him in the first fight in an immediate rematch is a big improvement
     
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  11. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    He boxed pretty well behind a jab moving backwards a lot against Parker over 12 rounds, even Wilder showed this ability against Stiverne. AJ and Wilder are huge athletic men with big footspeed and massive reach advantages over their stubby plodder gatekeeper opponents and AJ hit the jackpot in getting an even more static, morbidly obese and untrained Ruiz in the rematch. Any athletic superheavyweight with a bit of skill can do that. Running from a 20.5 stone midget non-puncher for 12 rounds in a rematch (and then hilariously claiming that he could have stopped fat Andy in round 1 if he wanted to) does not mean that he would be able to make remotely comparable adjustments against Usyk. One is a highly athletic southpaw and master boxer, the other is a blown-up lazy light heavy and the most obviously limited heavy of any real calibre.
     
  12. Marto

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    33? Is this some mystical number lmao!
     
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  13. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He showed that against Parker and Povetkin but not at the level of the Ruiz rematch. Usyk is better than Ruiz but he is not getting any younger now is he ? People have already noticed that Usyk looks slightly past his prime even now and a hypothetical rematch will allow even more time to pass wheras Aj is at his possible peak right now or arguably looks to still be improving. If the first fight is close a small improvement can sway it in Ajs favor. Provided nothing crazy happens a rematch would likely favor Aj whether you like it or not
     
  14. DancingLeftAndRight

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    I doubt Usyk will get a decision against AJ if it's anyway close. Home advantage counts for a lot as do future revenue events.
    Boxing too often either seem corrupt or is corrupt. We've all seen major high profile bouts over the last few years where the scorecards bear little relation to the action in the ring, either through one of corruption/incompetence/favouritism, or through a combination of the above, and the promoters/crooks get away with it.

    Vassiliy Levit was robbed in the 2016 Olympics and was just shafted again, imo, in the recent Asian Championships, then fans justify robberies too often afterwards. No wonder the corrupt moneymen get away with it. All we want is fairly judged bouts where the person who performed best actually gets the verdict. Of course that often doesn't happen.
    Scoring can be, and is, subjective of course, but some things are clearly wrong with the sport.

    I just want a fair winner of contests.

    Joshua-Usyk could go all the way to the cards. If it does, let's hope the man who deserves the verdict on the night gets it, whichever one that is.
     
  15. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Safin ?