Those were all family types trips unfortunately. The trip to Mexico will be full of debauchery I may post some of that.
Give Saunders the same PED power upgrade and then it's a very different fight. Suddenly those clean shots of his aren't so easy for Canelo to brush off.
No but the version of Saunders that fought him was a better version than the version of Saunders who fought Canelo. More consistent footwork, more poised, more elusive, that was truly Billy at his peak, that's the version of Saunders that those who say he would school Canelo imagine when they say that.
This is the problem with fantasy fights. Obviously there's a scenario where BJS beats Canelo, but it relies on BJS being at his best whilst Canelo is not at his best. And when you compare their careers, Canelo has improved a facet of his game every single fight and we arguably haven't even seen his peak yet. BJS always displayed the potential to be a slick dominant fighter, but only actually did it in real life on one night. In 2017 is the only realistic window of opportunity where BJS would have a better chance than he did in real life. Even then, one man schooled Lemmy, one man fought a close competitive fight with GGG. I had Canelo just losing to triple G, but he was fighting a much superior opponent to BJS. But also Canelo has improved loads since then. I mean look at his accuracy and timing now. Plus he's now sitting down on those counters. I mean yeah maybe he's pedded up, maybe, but if not, he's a genuine world class talent who's unified 3 divisions. The only two knocks that can be made against Canelo is he's received the benefit of close fights, and he's been caught with clen. But in my opinion, every great has received benefits of close decisions which is why they end up with great records, plus I actually believe every boxer cheats the system as much as they can, Lance Armstrong has destroyed my trust in professional athletes, Pascal has obliterated any trace of trust that still remained. Canelo is seeking out the best fighters in every division, I say we enjoy him whilst he's around, which, with his matchmaking, will hopefully be a very long time.
Don't think so! Canelo took that slickness and footwork away, because Canelo is a far superior fighter than Lemieux. Easy to look good against guys that can't slip a punch or cut off the ring.
The greats are great because , as Shadow stated , they stay in shape permanently. Canelo, Mayweather, GGG all are top professionals & are in tip top condition body & mind, although BJS has shown flashes of Brilliance he is his own worst enemy as he ,Like Hatton , he drifts into near obesity in between fights & has a lazy mindset as he only trains to beat that particular opponent he will be facing where as the 3 greats above train 110% for every opponent & leave nothing to chance. This is what is why I find canelo so damned annoying in the past with the judges , weight clauses etc ....theres no real need , he's brilliant but it rankles me that he does !!
Maybe if you stop pretending BJS beating DL is something all that special you stop pretending he’d ever beat Canelo. DL lost to Alcine and Rubio who aren’t elite and got destroyed by GGG. That version who beat DL was like that because David is a limited fighter he could fight that way. Canelo isn’t on DL levels he’s multiple levels above him.
It's a shame the "Lemieux version" of Marco Antonio Rubio didn't make it to the GGG fight. Different ballgame, if that were the case.
You get annoyed at how judges score his fights. OK, but you can't really be annoyed at a fighter for how his fights are scored. Judges judge, fighters fight. The weight clauses, if we're honest, those were negotiated by DLH. Many promoters try to get any advantage they can for their fighter, they feel like it's part of their job. In the same way that a defense attorney tries to win a case, they take the best strategy possible for their client in an attempt to give their client the best chance at winning a case. Your complaints about Canelo, in actuality Canelo himself very likely had little to do with. He's the kind of fighter who stays out of negotiations and would let GBP do his bidding for him. When he was younger, he trusted DLH because he thought that DLH was looking out for his best interest. When DLH advised him to avoid Mayweather in 2013, Canelo as a young kid naive to the business of boxing went against DLH and fought Mayweather anyway and caved into Mayweather's demands. But he lost trying to do it his way and going against DLH's advice, so after that surely DLH said to Canelo "I told you so, you should have listened to me, now you have a loss". So then Canelo realized he made a mistake fighting Mayweather, so he needed to listen to DLH more for now on. So when DLH told him to vacate the belt to avoid GGG, this time Canelo decided to do what DLH said, because the last time he went against DLH and fought Mayweather he lost. So this time he was gonna do what DLH said. And it ended up working out. Further down the road, when he was stripped of the IBF for not fighting Derevyanchenko, Canelo made it very clear that he was not happy about that, and that he had no idea he was about to be stripped, because left that up to DLH and GBP and they failed him. This I think created a rift between Canelo and DLH / GBP. He's better off without DLH at this point, because like you said he's good enough now to not need advantages. But when he was still an up and coming prospect, DLH was simply trying to use his experience in the sport to advise him on what to do, so DLH could fight for him through negotiations so he could get him the best deal he could and give him the best chance of winning. But what I would remind you of, is that for all your complaints about weight clauses, nothing that DLH or Canelo's team ever did to an opponent was as bad as what Mayweather did to him, draining him to a catchweight, or what Pac did to Cotto, draining him to a catchweight, or what Cotto did to Martinez or Geale, draining them to a catchweight. Fighting at 155 vs smaller guys coming up for Non-Title fights is no big deal. That's not the same as draining larger fighters down to catchweights in title fights as Pac, Mayweather and Cotto did. Fighting at 155 vs Cotto and Khan was not his demand, those were the weights that Cotto and Khan demanded. Fighting Cheeseburger Jr at 164.5 in a non-title fight. Not unreasonable, Chavez Jr fought Martinez at 160 just a few years earlier and Canelo was moving up 10+ lbs to fight him at a much higher weight than he ever fought at. Vs Fielding and Kovalev, the rehydration clauses, not unreasonable vs Fielding and Kovalev as he ws moving up 1, 2, or 3 full weight classes from when he was fighting at 154. But the rehydration clauses were probably not needed either. OK I can buy that, but lets also give him credit for moving up multiple weight classes to fight much bigger guys in a relatively short period of time without demanding a catchweight. Again DLH fighting for him trying to get him the best deal like a defense attorney would in a trial. Vs Jacobs, the rehydration clause, very reasonable because the IBF title was on the line and the IBF has a required rehydration limit. Jacobs managed to lobby to get the ruled changed so he wouldn't have to abide by it in unifications so he could have a functional weight advantage that wasn't allowed by the IBF. So that was Jacobs trying to get an unfair advantage inconsistent with IBF rules and Canelo's team was simply just enforcing the normal IBF rehydration limit. In all of these situations iii, while they rub some people like you the wrong way, because to your point, Canelo shouldn't need any advantages, he's that good. Still, plenty of other great fighters who shouldn't have needed advantages have done these sort of things and in many cases they did worse. None of these situations that you're complaining about involved an actual draining of a larger fighter to an unreasonable catchweight below their best weight, like Pac, Cotto and Mayweather did. So I get that it rankles you that his former promoter DLH got him so-called advantages in some fights, or that he's fought at catchweights, but all this has really been blown out of proportion. In retrospect, the agreements were not unreasonable and were generally fair to his opponents. But I get your point that he's good enough where he shouldn't need any help or advantages. Still I don't think he really ever got any kind of unfair advantages. Rehydration clauses are not uncommon, and are required by the IBF as part of their rules, nor are catchweights uncommon when you see how prevalent they are in the sport, when you look at the catchweights Pac, Mayweather or Cotto did, those were much worse and more unfair to their opponents. Like Mayweather agreeing to a 144 catchweight vs Marquez then deciding at the last minute to not honor it and come in way over. That's just unprofessional and Mayweather got away with getting a major advantage on Marquez. So in concluson, iii, I get where you're coming from, and I get that it seems that people are pulling strings behind the scenes and stuff. But in all seriousness, I think a lot of this has been blown out of proportion, and Canelo has been held to a much different standard than other fighters have. But I do agree that he shouldn't need advantages or any help, he's good enough to win on his own. I just think you need to realize that he has been winning on his own, and he deserves credit for what he has accomplished, instead of the constant detraction about BS unrelated to how complete of a fighter he is and how consistently well he's performed in the ring over a long period of time.
