I just spent 4 HOURS watchin GGG - CANELO 2 at 0.25 speed, TOTAL punch stats + unique punch scoring.

What do you think BCS8?

https://i.imgur.com/ginp8qg.jpg

Landed punch or no? Blocked by Elbow? Partly blocked by elbow? Landed to the body around the Elbow? What do you see from that screenshot?

 

Bro I'm being called out to come in here lol. Look at how many shadow references there were in the first 3 pages. GGG fans put up the Bat Signal.

 

The screenshot I posted is where it landed, the frames after make it look like he bounced off his arm. You can see from that screenshot that it landed to the body. GGG got his elbow down but Canelo managed to sneak it around the elbow. The inner part of the glove near the thumb area slid cross GGG's elbow but the main part of the glove landed flush to the body. It's clearly visible from the screenshot I posted. It was a very effective punch. Not totally clean with the elbow catching the inner part of the glove but very effective nonetheless.

But I will give you that GGG did "partially" block some body attempts with his elbow but most still landed, it was only that GGG got some of his elbow on to the glove, but Canelo's punch placement still managed to place the punch around the elbow so it dug into the body.

 

Dude you do this all the time, a screenshot does not show anything..the position of the hand does not say it landed or not. You've got to actually watch the exchange in slow mo/real time etc. Screenshot don't show anything at least post a short clip

 

A screenshot says little. Golovkin could have been twisting and that screenshot is after an impact on the arm. I'd have to watch a gif

 

Don't bother mate.. Grazing punches and inside gloves slaps are all clean punches according to Shadow.. Don't even bother arguing because he'll just say "how are you not seeing this?" even if he's outright wrong

 

Q I'm being very fair about it. I noted that the inner part of the glove nicked GGG's elbow. I'm just saying you still gotta count that as landed punch. Only a small % of the inner glove connected with the elbow. The main part of the glove did in fact hit the body which is clearly visible from that screenshot.

 

Honestly, I think slow motion watching is against the fabric of what boxing is about.

Where's the art of deceiving a judge? The last minute flurries to steal a round, the different viewpoints judges have from where they're sat?

If you have to watch a fight at a quarter speed to declare a winner, then there's something wrong there imo.

I admire the effort levels, don't get me wrong.

But in that same time you could have watched 4 full fights, at full speed, and enjoyed the experience much much more.

 

Watching it 0.25x speed its harder to determine whether it landed. At 0.25 it looks like it connects first with the tricep then the body with the top part of the inside of the glove.

Now you watch it in normal speed it looks like it clearly hits the elbow and doesn't look like a forceful punch.. Now as you've said what matters is what judges believe is an impactful landed punch, in normal speed I highly doubt judges would perceive that as landing or in fact an impactful shot

 

Agreed the one in the 4th round landed much cleaner, almost an identical shot from the same camera angle than the one in the 6th. The one in the 6th got more elbow / arm no doubt about it. The one in the 6th was higher up than the one in the 4th, and didn't land as clean to the body. You're saying the one in the 6th got all arm / elbow. Watching it in 0.25x I can see how it looks like it just bounced off the arm. Still an effective shot even with GGG getting his elbow on to it. It did not land clean with GGG getting his elbow on to it, but it wasn't a pure block either. It was an effective punch nonetheless. It moved GGG, he grimaced and moved back as a result of that shot. Hard for the judges or for a Compubox counter in real-time to call that a block.

 

Look I'm keeping it real. I admitted GGG got his elbow on to it. I wouldn't call it clean, but I can't call that a block either. The main part of Canelo's glove still hit the body. But the inner part of the glove did bounce off the elbow. Still it "connected" and it connected "hard". It landed on skin, and wasn't blocked by the glove or anything. A lot of people think blocking a punch with your elbow is the same as blocking a punch with your glove. It isn't.

 

Golovkin-Alvarez: 2-0