Would a prime Mike Tyson be as dominate as he was if he had boxed in the 1970`s?

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  1. Pugilist Specialist

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    There’s no way Tyson was beating Ali. Ali was the prototype that Buster Douglas used to beat Tyson, so there is no way he’s beating Ali. Foreman would have Kayoed him too. Frazier it’s a toss up fight.
    He would probably Kayo Norton because he was chinny and maybe Holmes.

    that means he would only have a short title reign If he could get past contenders like Lyle, Jimmy Young, Shavers, Quarry, Bonavena..... not an easy task
     
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  2. Unforgiven

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    Based on styles.
    You do know that Mike Tyson was absolutely destroyed by weaker punchers than Lyle, let alone Foreman, right?
     
  3. Kamikaze

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    Destroyed? What when he was shot walking forward eating flush uppercuts from Lennox or when he took a prolonged beating from Buster Douglas all night long? some whom fought both Lewis and Douglas claim Bus hits harder of the two just to add to the fact. Tyson was never slept in his whole career even against Lennox he was just sat on his arse and couldn’t get up.
     
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    Douglas smashed him to pieces, yes.
    Douglas has hardly any KOs against decent opponents in his entire career, nor knockdowns scored even.

    You brought up Ron Lyle, who Foreman beat.
    So, yeah, I'm bringing up Douglas. Who Tyson lost to.

    Holyfield too. Knocked Tyson all over the place. The same guy who couldn't stop an ancient Foreman. Facts.
     
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  5. George Crowcroft

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    Who says this?
     
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  6. Kamikaze

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    You are trying me but on my integrity I have heard it said from at least two different boxers.
     
  7. Kamikaze

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    Ugh- The point isn’t Tyson holding up to Foreman’s shots he proved he could take an equally strong punch with no defence Lewis proved this. When he was on he would scarcely be taking one of Foreman’s shots the issue is if Foreman is surviving Tysons counter shots. He scarcely has the defence, or the endurance to survive long in a shoot out with someone as powerful as himself. Lyle hadn’t he gassed and not been so sloppy would’ve finished Foreman. Facts. Tyson is a touch less durable, as powerful a much, much, much more skilled and elusive fighter the speed difference would be very apparent.
     
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  8. Unforgiven

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    Foreman beat Lyle, and was only stopped by Ali in his whole career.
    Tyson was stopped six times, and never beat anyone particularly good, ever.
    This is what people need to realize.
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    Foreman-Lyle is possibly young Foreman's worst fight. Hadn't fought a serious fight since Ali KO'd him, just some exhibitions, hadn't won a fight that went beyond 2 rounds in about 4 or 5 years. Confidence was shot, new trainer didn't really know what to do with him, was not in a good mental state at all.
    And Lyle was no mug at all, a good boxer, a strong puncher, active, and fearless.

    And, no excuses for Foreman .... because he doesn't need them, he WON the fight. He out-fought, out-gutted Lyle, inside 5 rounds, got off the deck a couple of times to do so, on an "off night".
    KO 5, a winner.
     
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  10. moneytheman12

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    yea like always your right it's so obvious mike wouldnt get hit often by George he was slow mike defense was way to good frank wasnt much faster then George and couldnt hit mike much at all they know your right why do you continue to debate trolls its obvious mike wins

    George was hurt bad from the first strong right hand by ron 1st round ready to fall end of the 1st and was hurt thru every round after that

    it is no way he takes Mike's sharp punches he has no way to stop from being hit alot so how would he win they never say how coincidence no he wouldnt win
     
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    Whole lot of hyperbole silly logic, Context is important before you throw around dumb comments and disregard arguments. Let me ask you who did 70s Foreman beat Frazier? Norton? both of those wins were a managers dream both couldn't move or were known for there durability. Just never forget at his best Foreman with a HOF trainer in his corner was battered by Jimmy Young lol.
     
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  12. moneytheman12

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    yea thats why he beat a outta shape joe and ken both never was tough for taking damage joe never had great defense

    joe sense he was short though and got beat means George beats mike even though joe and Mike's style was nothing alike but the match with George goes the same way these are people so crazy its ridiculous
     
  13. White Bomber

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    Yes there is, Tyson beats him every single time, he's a stylistic nightmare for Ali.

    Ali was no prototype, stop talking crap'. Douglas beat Tyson cause Tyson was completely unprepared for the fight. He was going through Japanese prostitutes, alcohol and cocaine instead of training for the fight. Not to mention the fact that Douglas was stronger, hit harder and had better fundamentals than Ali.

    Maybe, maybe not. Foreman has the power, but he wasn't the most accurate out there and he wasn't exactly fast either. Plus he's easy to hit by a guy with fast hands.
    Tyson is way faster, way more accurate, has a much better defense, and can hit him with either hand.

    Frazier's chances are the same as mine, ****ING NONE.
    Tyson KOs him in under 3 rounds, he's superior to Frazier in almost every way.

    Not probably, definitely.

    Lyle might be a little tricky, but he beats all the rest with ease, by KO.

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  14. White Bomber

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    No, you need to realize that prime vs prime, Tyson whoops them all.
     
  15. Dubblechin

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    On the "not particularly good" list of Mike Tyson KO victims - Larry Holmes, Michael Spinks, Frank Bruno (twice), Pinklon Thomas, Razor Ruddock (twice), Andrew Golota and Tony Tubbs.

    LOL

    For the record, I'd take all of them over Ron Lyle and Jimmy Young (who was only 'particularly good' for about 2 years out of a 20 year career)