I am gonna give a little bit of knowleddge so the next time you type about this subject you dont sound so dumb, as I said in another thread . The reason why Jacks opponents threw one punch at a time was the lack of opportunity for more than one punch at a time . https://makeagif.com/i/AIqgiq every time you looked like you were gonna step and swing jack gets outta range and quickly ,tell me greatest boxing analyst in the world ,how is an opponent gonna throw a combo on a guy who moves outta range (you can do it with shift punching ) but how many heavyweight boxers are effectively skilled at that (ali wasnt ) https://makeagif.com/i/AIqgiq Your assessment reads more like poetry than concrete real world analysis , Ali would be dealing with someone who deployed that same mummy style guard he couldnt jab his way thru when he fought foreman in fact where do you think the saddlers got that from https://www.vice.com/en/article/ev84nw/how-daniel-cormier-killed-the-king read the second paragraph ! https://makeagif.com/i/Pa_RX9 ^^ look at how Johnsons rear hand extended smothering the path of the jab johnson was superb at not getting hit in the face with parrying and hopping out of range. Johnson doesnt grab the head by goes immediately for bicep tie ups that nullify all forms of punching in the clinch ali wouldnt have options and Johnson can uppercut from there . Alis foot speed is null and void circling around the ring wasting motion is cute but he has to step forward and try to punch through an active double handed guard(mummy guard) while hoping Johnson doesnt leap out of range . Ali might do better if he can get Johnson to the ropes but he doesnt fight like that or shown a prowess to do that. ALi himself gets backed into the ropes (chuvalo,terrell,foreman) Alis only weapon would be that pull counter right he throws over badly thrown jabs, Johnson on film feints with 2 hands and you can never really tell when hes gonna step in and jab(thus throwing off that timing) Ali gets stopped or never wins a round on Jack!
I think that Ali would be a bit too rangy and too fast for Johnson, he'd win the battle on outside. That said, Ali liked roughening up inside at times, which would cost him some rounds and Johnson was good enougj counter puncher to score some solid punches on his own. Ali by decision, in close and very boring fight.
Ali totally embarrases him and lands at will. Ali by late stoppage when both of Johnson's eyes will be swollen and his face badly cut. That is if Ali decides to carry him. He could end it whenever he wants.
Ali wasn't the Jeffries who retired 6 years before the Johnson fight and was 300 pounds before training or equally ancient 170 pound Fitzsimmons, He wasn't the middleweight Ketchel, Burns, Burke, he wasn't the green 150ish pound Langford he fought in 1906 and proceeded to duck once Langford had matured same story with teenaged McVey. Ali did not throw single telegraphed haymakers and slowly walk forward in the line of fire. Ali actually used his hands to cover his face. Ali was quick, Ali could dodge. Ali was leagues better than ANY opponent Johnson won (or lost) to. You think it would take Ali 15 rounds to dispose of the 6 years inactive obese shell of Jeffries, not even knocking him out? Did Ali lose to any middleweights throwing single punches at a time? Stylewise, as previously stated, Johnson wouldn't get away from Ali, Ali was fast and would continue dancing towards or away from Johnson depending on what was needed. When Johnson tried to clinch, Ali would masterfully dance away while landing a few punches in return. Johnson would attempt to counter Ali's punches not realizing a barrage of 4, 5 or more would come directly at Johnsons unguarded face. Johnson would attempt to clinch, but Ali would keep dancing away, dodging most every shot Johnson would throw. Johnson might try to do some flailing power hits once he was sick of Alis dancing and hits (as he did against Willard once Johnson started tiring), but Ali wold proceed to dodge these powerful but uncoordinated hits. Johnson would try to land an uppercut to end the match by round 4 but Ali would simply dodge it once again, and proceed to land 3 - 4 well choreographed punches knocking Johnson out. Calling people "dumb" isn't an argument and neither are gif's of a middleweight or Moran who suffered a humiliating loss against Willard of all people while in his prime.
Ali couldnt dance away from ****ing george chuvalo and you think Johnson will have issues catching him,Ernie Terrell had prime ali against the ropes often as well. If Ali dodges the jab hes getting tied up ,if he gets hit by johnsons jab he gets tied up and that is where it goes bad for Ali, He holds behind the head and allows you to have a free rear hand. Thats an ass whooping by Jack Johnson, You fail to grasp that you do not land punches just by throwing combos THERE HAS TO BE AN OPENING FOR THE INITIAL jabs to even throw a flurry, that mummy guard had ali throwing his slappy hooks and lead rights on an opponent who didnt apply that guard as well as johnson(foreman stood square ,stood in front of ali, would block one punch without punching at the same time, did not manipulate range! ) The gifs were to point out specifics of techniques of what I am talking about ! Can you show me where Jack johnson would throw an uppercut outside of a clinch situation and ali dodging clinch uppercuts ?
Maybe yes... Dont forget johnson could hit and all these bouts on film Are scheduled for 20 rounds or more
The idea of calling Johnson a defensive wizard because he based his defense on parrying and catching punches is pretty flimsy. Such skills are only a small part of the picture. Catching punches with your gloves is okay, and parrying is useful particularly if you can knock your opponent off balance at the same time and possibly set up a counter. These are both legitimate defensive tactics, but it's a much more solid practice to base your defense more on the judgment of distance, slipping, rolling, shifting, and to use your defense as part of a plan to set traps and get yourself in position to counter. Ali used distance and angles much more than Johnson. He was bigger, faster afoot and probably of hand, and he hit just as hard. I love Johnson's story, his strength of character, and his level of skill compared to others in the era he fought, but he'd be outdefended and outgunned by Ali.
An opening, like how Jack never guarded his face, and would counter punch, though when faced with lighting combos of 4 or more punches, he would attempt to counter the first one or two and fail miserably as the speed of Ali's fists is far superior to the middleweights and Journeymen Johnson fought during his day not to mention far more punches at shorter periods of time. Johnson stuck his hands out as footage shows, and this would prove to work poorly against the fast punching and light footed Ali. Jack never guarded his face, instead catching the punches of his opponents, none who threw punches nearly as fast, as likely to land or as many as Ali. Jack simply could not use his counterpunch style nor defensive punch "catching" against someone as fast or talented as Ali. As mentioned, his techniques worked well on the middleweights, journeymen and ancient relics he tended to fight (perhaps not so well on the many black fighters he drew the color line on) but they would fail against Ali, resulting in a KO by round 4.
You do not have to stick your hands in front of your face in the form of a high guard to guard your face, Jack used his arms to jam the path of your jab , intercepting a punch is better than shelling up dude.Come on you gotta think things throught stop writing poems and start observing science(visual evidence). Hand speed is not what gets punches to land and Ali would not punch at a rate so fast Johnson couldnt catch them. Jack ties up after the first one and that is that ,never mind Ali or johnson when someone wants to tie up theres never been a boxer who can avoid getting tied up by just continuely punching through his opponent trying to tie him up,even slower Jake Lamotta was able to tie up Sugar Ray Robinson do not be dumb!
