Maybe I don't understand physics but size=power, right?

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  1. Anima

    Anima Kinetic Link Full Member

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    Heavyweights aren't the fastest because it takes more energy to move an object that has more mass. Also, the bigger you are the more drag you have/produce. There are a lot of other factors too like proper transfer of energy (kinetic linking) etc etc
     
  2. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    That's why you can tell everyone making fun of your pants, that it's the most powerful pants in town.
    That will shut them up.
     
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  3. Boxed Ears

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    I guess you're making sense. I'm not qualified to say that, which is why I started the thread and am grateful for anyone simplificating it for me. So, let's take another track with this and another thought experiment. If gravity isn't the force and you don't get weighed down by your own weight but it's about torque and how you wrench it towart your target let's take a big dude like let's say 253 pounds, no fat (just an example) and a small dude (no judgment) like 103 pounds. If it's about how space is curved, does who is throwing the punch the straightest matter the most? Like if the little guy throws a hook, that's the fastest or is it the straightest distance between two points? My boyfriend always says I take things too literally, so please be careful and sorry I just am that way. So, a target is matter and it will deform in the presence of the punch thrown, right? That's what causes the facial distortion seen in sports fotos of fighters? But if there's a less big, meaty hand that weighs less, with a smaller fist, does the deformation happen less in a linear way according to how much smaller the fist is?
    Interesting. So, if I'm going to throw a punch alongside a much smaller man, how do I kinetically link it so it is faster like it should be?
     
  4. Anima

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    Proper technique.

    Its very hard to really compare because you'd need to properly scale power used to both you and the lighter ones weight so the output is equal then apply technique on top of that.
     
  5. Dodgy Syrup

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    I'm not too sure what you mean, but I think the easiest way I've found to summarise the basic idea is that it is a combination of weight AND speed which determines the power in a punch.

    Technique is more difficult to place in this scenario, as some fighters (Naseem Hamed) use what would be considered poor/counter intuitive technique - but it was very effective nonetheless.

    Going back to the weight and speed issue, as I said, in my limited understanding, if you reduce one of them the outcome changes.
     
  6. Boxed Ears

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    Okay, so what is the maximum amount of energy at the maximum amount of speed that a 203 pound man (just an example) can have if he does everything right? And if the planets stay in orbit in alignment with each other in a system because the mass attracts themselves to each other by size then if one guy punches at a guy the same size, shouldn't the max apogee be faster if it's an even bigger guy because his mass attracts much harder? And then why come that energy doesn't just keep curving around the mass forever then?
     
  7. cuchulain

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    Who said you were past your prime, BE ?

    When you 'reel in' sixty-nine responses in just eight days, then you've still got it in spades , son !

    Physics, aye.

    You da man !

    :thumbsup:
     
  8. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Most of water is made out of two gases and gases don't weigh anything but you get hit by a tycoon in the Philippines, you still feel that ish hard. What I'm saying is if you have more mass you can move it to compensate for having so much to move because the two should cancel each other out by the laws of actual physics, right?

    I honestly don't even understand this comment.
     
  9. Dempsey Gibbons

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    BE, you are missing the effects of quantum mechanics.
    It really just depends on if the particles in the opponents chin posses quantum entanglement with either particles in the other boxers fists and or the particles in the gloves. In that case, the punch could actually exceed the speed of light but then it would be kind of boring because even though it would happen, no one would be able to see it. This is exactly the type of punch that Ali knocked out Liston with. ;)

    I thought I would help out as this rabbit hole you have created has nearly broken the ESB record for nonsense in a thread.

    Oh, and you really have to watch out for getting hit by a TYCOON in the Philippines. I do believe that Manny Pacquiao is rich enough to qualify as a tycoon in the Philippines and we all know how fast and hard he hits.
     
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  10. bandeedo

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    now were gettin somewhere.
     
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  11. cuchulain

    cuchulain VIP Member Full Member

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    Bravo !

    Schrödingerr couldn't have put it any better.

    And in plain-speak that even a cat could understand !



    You're far too modest, lad !
     
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  12. Boxed Ears

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    Okay, so, if I understand what you saying: The electrons that make up the fist of a heavyweight are basically incapable of inhabiting the same space as the electrons what's made up the chin of the other heavyweight. Therefore, given their coordinates and the incapacity of space to contain both at the same times, then when the fist hits the chin, it displaces the space that the chin particles used to inhibits and the fist is then inhibitory matter. But it should be at the same speed, even if it is light speed. I watched a movie where it went past light speed and the ship was in what they call ludicrous speed-the fastest one-and they were all fine basically and I could literally see them buckled in they seatbelts except one dude. So, even if my naked eye can't see the ship, I can still see the movement from inside. I feel like that is true if it's on videotape camera on HBO or wherever in the ring. It is SELF CONTAINED and if it is on film, we can watch it back and even slow it down if we really need to (the real bad judges). But it should all be a SAME SPEED or even faster if they truly are so big and powerful like people keep claiming.

    Um, thanks, I guess.
     
  13. cuchulain

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    You raise some very good points, Dempsey.

    But you are restricting your musings (mistakenly, IMO) to quantum effects.

    At the upper limits of heavyweight hand speed (eg, that of Sugar Nicolai Valuev), we would expect to notice the effects of relativity.

    And as you know, all attempts to marry relativity to quantum mechanics have till now, come to naught.

    Perhaps it is in the squared circle that these two counterintuitive (to all but a few) sets of considerations could be shoe-horned into the same box.

    And if anyone is up to facilitating such an amalgamation, it is surely ESB's Boxed Ears !
     
  14. Dempsey Gibbons

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    All great points! The only thing you might be overlooking is that Relativity itself doesn't behave normally within a Boxed Ears thread. :)
     
  15. Anima

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    First, gas has weight.
    Typhoons is more than just gas and water, its temperature too and momentum by the earth rotating.

    This isn't as simple as you think.