Usyk could get robbed

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  1. jmb1356

    jmb1356 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Could? Most likely will unless he can unload on that chin.

    I don't even dislike A.J., it's just the truth of boxing.
     
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  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's what you're implying by complaining that GGG didn't get the close rounds when they fought, ignoring that Canelo was the Lineal Champ and never lost his WBC Title in the ring.
    That was Cotto's problem not Canelo. He was the challenger not the Champ. It was the WBC's responsibility to make Cotto fight GGG before he fought Canelo or force him to vacate. They didn't do that, they held Canelo to a higher standard before he ever became Champ than they ever held Cotto too. Again corruption, giving preferential treatment to one fighter (Cotto) then imposing demands on another (Canelo).
    Canelo fought Cotto because he wanted to fight Cotto. The Title situation wasn't the reason he fought him. He fought him because he was the biggest name and he was a fighter who was considered a Jr Middleweight like himself not a full MW.
    The fact that Cotto was defending the title at 155 was corrupt, sure, but after winning the title at that weight, it woudn't be saying you're too small to fight at the weight he won the title because the "weight he won the title" was at 155.

    What's corrupt is winning at title at a weight imposed by the champ then being expected to defend the title at a much higher weight than you won the title at. That would have been corrupt. Comprende? That's one the reasons why I was OK with him vacating. Because you should win a Title at the Full limit, not at a catchweight. But Canelo needed that Cotto fight for legacy, and to set up a GGG fight since Cotto obviously was refusing to fight him. By Canelo vacating, he then won it back the proper way. Lastly, it's important to note that it was Cotto who created this problem. What Canelo did is fight Cotto at Cotto's weight, then Canelo brought legitimacy back to the division by vacating it then winning it at the Full Limit against the other Champion of the division.
     
  3. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A.J of course is favorite to win this one.
    For Usyk still looks not bad fight: $, all these talks about how cool is 0 in fight record are empty noise. Loma doesn't have 0 and still it is suspected that Loma had earned more in purses than today undefeated Usyk.
    Prizefighters fight for $, all other things are by product and usually empty talks.

    While me didn't liked A.J vs Pulev, looked even worse than Usyk vs Witherspoon ( worst Usyk's fight I ever had saw despite he won ).
    Usyk looked for me as not perspective after Witherspoon fight.
    Fights vs Chisora he performed better than younger, supposedly more perspective, fresh and larger than Usyk Parker.

    If A.J will start to gas out, he will get that Usyk isn't 41 y.o rusty 240 lbs Wlad who didn't had fought more than 12 months before this fight, Usyk isn't 38 y.o Povetkin with bad legs, 39 y.o Pulev or already beated by Povetkin Takam. For sure.

    Will see.
     
  4. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well played sir! :risas3::risas3::risas3:
     
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  5. BCS8

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    No.
    Pointing out that Canelo always gets the close rounds.
    :wanker
    He vacated like a ***** which is 1000x worse. At least he has the Alvarez Family 1992 Christmas Get Together PingPong Paper badge to be proud of.
    Nope, it was always going to be Canelo's problem if he won, and he fought for the belt knowing it.
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    Canelo was a willing partner in that.
    Don't be utterly stupid.:hang
    That and because you drink Canelo's sauce straight from the bottle.:asskisser
     
  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah he did do better.

    Canelo vs Mayweather 112-116, 114-114, 111-117
    Cotto vs Mayweather 111-117, 111-117, 110-118
     
  7. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He was a willing partner fighting Cotto at 155? You mean he agreed to Cotto's demands? What choice did he have? He had to make sacrifies to fight Cotto. He had to agree to Cotto's split and Cotto's weight. If Canelo would have insisted it be at 160 do you think Cotto would have agreed?
     
  8. BCS8

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    Nonsense. They were both fighting at lighter than 160 at the time.

    Absurd. Canelo explicitly said he wasn't going to fight at 160.
     
  9. ashishwarrior

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  10. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    They both agreed to the weight as they were both 154-lbers. But Cotto as the Champ was the one who insisted on 155. The weight suited Canelo just fine, he had no incentive to want it higher, but it wasn't his demand. It was him merely agreeing to Cotto's demand.

    You have a hard time identifying who caused the problem. Cotto was the problem, Canelo was the solution. Cotto acted like a diva, who demanded Martinez (who was the champ at the time) agree to fight him at 159, 1lb below the limit. Then Cotto drained Geale, to 157 if I'm not mistaken. With Canelo, Cotto wanted to get him as low as possible. That was an advantage for Cotto though, he was fighting everybody at the lowest weight that he could get them to agree to because he was really just a 154-lber fighting at a higher weight class.
     
  11. UmarIFLUmar

    UmarIFLUmar Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    It's a really interesting fight isn't it.

    Joshua's instincts are to fight at a slow pace, jab and wait for an opportunity. However Usyk in round 1 is a kitten compared to round 6 where he's a Lion. So does Joshua just throw caution to the wind and try to take him out before he can find his range and get into a rhythm.
     
  12. BCS8

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    Cotto and Canelo are the problem.
     
  13. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Usyk has a lot of trouble here since I consider him a past prime fighter. He'd probably have to give AJ a hiding to win a UK decision.

    Still, I think at this point in time it's likely AJ KO's him whilst down on the cards.
     
  14. Surrix

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    I think most likely A.J will win vs Usyk via UD on his hometown cards. After this bunches with ppl here will post that Usyk was fraud, a hype job and had been exposed as nobody who had beat no one in his life etc casual ****.

    A.J had finished 39 y.o Pulev, it is beatutiful achievement despite he had looked gassed out after 3 rounds in first gassing out episode vs old Pulev.
    A.J was not able to finish Parker and fat leg lazy Panda.
    A.J get british home town stoppage win vs Takam.
    World KO artist is hero because he beated up old out from retirement 41 y.o 240 lbs Wlad, world KO artist had stopped 38 y.o Povetkin over the hill version.

    Of course hometown ref and judges will help damn a lot, british stoppage is awaiting Usyk with a glance.

    While A.J most likely even is better at HW, he will be officiated and judged as A side big cash cow.
     
  15. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Draining fighters below their natural weight is the problem. Canelo never did that. Cotto did.