Joseph Obey Joyce vs. Armand Carlos Netsing Takam & Chris Jenkins vs. Ekow Essuman RBR.

Aj yes, Fury no

 

I'm off lately? What does that mean? Because i have a different opinion than you i'm off? Because i score a fight differently? I'm barely scoring fights recently. I'm very relaxed. I didn't even saw your scorecard until it was the main topic in here so i don't even know why you brought me up and quoted some of my postings for whatever reasons. I just saw you quoted me again before that and told me i lost my ****ing mind. Again, i'm not debating scorecards in here for a long long time. The last thing that would come to my mind after a fight is quoting someone's scorecard and arguing how badly wrong he was.

I had it 4-1 Takam after 5. 3-2 Takam was probably the more reasonable scorecard. 3-2 Joyce is in the mix too. I just didn't mark any rounds as "close" as i wasn't really doing a RBR just posting some thoughts about the fight. And if you would have read my postings i was rooting for Joyce from the first round and even mentioned people should calm down in criticizing Joyce as he will break Takam and stop him in the second half.

 

so you can't read my previous posts in which I said I had it 3-2 Takam, and you're resorting to calling me names?

Go to bed

 

Fury and Usyk have the style to beat him but he is also capable of stopping both.

We need these great fights to happen instead of all those 3 fight deals and rematch clauses.

 

If this was the old Joshua before the ruiz fight i could see joyce doing damage. But aj mentally changed. Some call it bad some say it made him better with tactics and saefty first style ala klitschko. If i had to pick i choose joshua who learned how to move and hold a bit. I see Aj lighting joyce up from the outside and joyce beeing too slow to catch up. And make no mistake everybody can get hurt with the right amount of power and technik

 

I like AJ just fine but think Joyce is a tricky customer and presents an unusual challenge. I mean, if he hasn't been stopped by the mid rounds what is anyone meant to do as he keeps thudding away? I don't think that's a ridiculous thing to discuss.

 

Feeling brave tonight behind your keyboard

 

I had Takam up 3-2 rounds, 48-47 points, through the first 5 rounds, giving Joyce the 3rd and 5th rounds. Takam was having a lot of success in the early rounds landing overhand rights and lefts, and mixing in a decent amount of body work. Joyce's jab was ineffective, and his power punches were neither as numerous nor as effective as Takam's. In the 4th round, Joyce did start mixing in a decent amount of body work. Takam was clearly gassed by the 5th round, and basically took that round off, throwing almost nothing, and letting Joyce work unimpeded. Immediately at the start of Round 6, Joyce landed a left hook that surprisingly staggered Takam, considering Joyce was standing flat-footed and didn't sit on the punch at all. Once Takam was staggered like that so early, he was always going to have a hard time getting through that round, and Joyce was immediately on the front foot without overcommitting, and Takam was crouching down in survival mode while throwing nothing at all, until finally a Joyce [left hook + straight right hand] combo staggered Takam straight backwards, and referee Steve Gray, who had been looking very hard at Takam for awhile, stepped in and stopped the fight. The stoppage came 49 seconds into the 6th round, and even though Takam had not been knocked down, the fact he was taking so much punishment without any return fire, and the fact there were still more than 2 minutes left in the round (which Gray may or may not have taken into account) made the stoppage reasonable IMO.

Per bet365, Joyce came into this fight as a 1/12 favourite, and Takam was a 6/1 underdog. The WBC has Joyce as the current #5 ranked world heavyweight, and Joyce won the WBC Silver Heavyweight title with his stoppage win vs Dubois last November. The WBO has Joyce as the current #2 ranked world heavyweight behind Usyk, and four days ago on 20 July the WBO officially installed Joyce as the mandatory challenger for the WBO heavyweight title, having him take on the winner of Joshua/Usyk, although when that fight would take place is anyone's guess, especially if Joshua wins that fight, since Joshua would by definition have just fulfilled a WBO mandatory, and would be looking at a unification fight with Fury, if Fury beats Wilder again.

As much as I was impressed by Joyce in the Dubois fight, he was pretty underwhelming tonight. He fought mostly in an upright position, showing little footspeed or ring movement, his jab was ineffective, and he didn't move to create any angles for his offense. He also took quite a few hard overhand rights and lefts from Takam, despite Takam not throwing any jabs at all, nor doing anything else in particular to set up those punches. On the plus side, Joyce's punches were much straighter than Takam's, his cardio was certainly much better than Takam's, and he took those Takam punches well, without ever being visibly staggered. The BT Sport 1 commentators made some noise about Joyce being a Top Five world heavyweight. Joyce does have a good resumé for someone with only 13 fights, but his highest-ranked opponent to date has been Dubois, whom BoxRec currently has as the #23 world heavyweight. Joyce is probably fringe World Top Ten, and he would certainly be a significant underdog against either Joshua or Usyk. I'm not as bullish on his ceiling after this fight as I was after the Dubois fight.

 

Fury beats Joyce easy. Way too mobile. That’s how you beat him. Move.

 

Discussing a matchup between AJ and Joyce isn't ridiculous. I did it on my own in here and said Joyce will have success with his jab and might cause AJ some real problems as AJ will give Joyce the exact same fight Dubois gave him albeit Joshua is more experienced and more polished. The ridiculous thing wasn't discussing the matchup, it was the comparison between AJ and Joyce both beating Takam and concluding Joyce did a lot better...

Takam fought AJ four years ago.

Joyce fought him today. At the age of 40.